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Old 11-28-2010, 10:55 AM   #1
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2011 TCNA Handbook Changes

Thought you guys may be interested in this. Steve Rausch from USG has put up a list of changes to the handbook. Just a brief summary but it looks like it will be much easier to use and will clarify more. You can read it here:

http://rauschravings.blogspot.com/20...-handbook.html

Anyone have any idea when we can get our hands on it?
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:26 AM   #2
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I may be wrong but looks like hes saying on a wood substrate with double ply only CBU is recommended for stone installs?
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:35 AM   #3
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Steve I think you are right.
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I saw the cbu as the glass substrate no membrane ?
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You will be able to get it from the TCNA - http://www.tileusa.com/publication_main.htm

The 2011 book is not yet published, not sure what the release date is for it. Should be soon.
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:12 PM   #6
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Saw that too Chad
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:20 PM   #7
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i think the 2 layer ply under cbu for stone is to clarify the vagueness of the old 1 inch and an eighth = good never meant to imply one layer ply one layer cbu and your good
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:25 PM   #8
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The publish date is targeted for end of March. The Marble Institute of America participated in the revision to publication of stone tile methods this time. Their recommendation has been double layer ply and a membrane or CBU for some time. CBU being a cement backer board meeting ASTM 1325 such as Wonderboard, Durock, Permabase, or Utilicrete. On glass the only consensus that could be reached was also CBU. Membranes are very detrimental to some glass products and helpful to others.
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I may be wrong but looks like hes saying on a wood substrate with double ply only CBU is recommended for stone installs?
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ONLY CBU backer boards are recommended under stone installations
To me that says if you're fixin' to use a backer board under your stone tiles, it must be a CBU, not one of the many other varieties. Doesn't say you can use only a backerboard as your substrate.

Into which of those categories does Fiber/Cement Board fit, Dave?
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Yeah, i figured that was it CX when i re -read it
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:06 PM   #11
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Red face 2011 TCNA Handbook Changes

Thanks for the questions and comments guys. As usual, Mr Gobis is correct about how this has come about and the pending release date - most will get it at Coverings show for the first release.
If any of you have specific questions you can obviously post them here and someone will get the answer, but if you would like quicker response you can either call my cell - 404-281-2218 or email me: Srausch@usg.com and I will try to get you the info if I don't know it. I am currently the chairman of the TCNA backer board subcommittee so obviously that is my specialty however we all spend time on all the issues for the handbook.
Just as another piece of info, TCNA is also working on getting ISO standards for backer boards passed so we have world wide agreement on minimum quality standards for board products. We are currently working on CBU (cement boards) and then will follow with all the other types of board we can find. This will hopefully help the tile industry avoid the same mess the drywall guys got into with imported board that didn't meet any US standards.
I would be interested in your thoughts on this or any other issues.
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:35 PM   #12
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Standards for foam boards as well would be nice.
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Old 11-29-2010, 08:55 PM   #13
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2011 TCNA Handbook Changes

Matt, foam board standards are in the works - problem is there are various types of construction so it won't end up being a one size standard fits all. We will keep everyone posted.
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thanks steve
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Is the TCNA handbook available to non-members? I just started a company on my own, and yearly memberships are gonna be hard to swing right now. I want to acquire as much literature as I can.
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