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Old 03-02-2010, 07:13 PM   #1
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Tiling a wall; curb question; shelf question

Hello everyone,
If I may, let me first start by saying thank you to all of you who are helping "weekend warriors" like myself. I have learned a great deal reading through the various forum topics.
My name is Todd and I VERY new to the tiling game. I layed my first piece of tile about 3 weeks ago on my master bath floor and, if it doesn't sound to much like bragging, I am quite pleased with how it turned out.

My next project will not be as easy however, I am going to tear out my 30x60 tub/shower and install 4" tile throughout. I have been reading online through this forum and various other sources and feel I have at a basic idea on how to mix my mud bed for the floor. I do however, have three quistions I would love advice on.
1) When I start putting the tile on the wall, can I use the same thinset I used to put down my room floor with? I used Mapei (modified, I think) and mixed it to the consistancy of peanut butter.
2) I plan to use Kerdi on my floor, walls, and curb. I will be using 2x4's for my curb. Since I am useing Kerdi, is it neccesary to "mud" the curb?
3) I have seen front rounded, triangular shaped corner shelves that look to be made of marble or granite, or perhaps travertine and looks to be at least 1/2 inch or more thick that is tilied in with the regular tile. Are these sheves some that is pre-fabed or are they custom made by tiler? If pre-fab, where can I get them? If custom made, how can I do that. This may be out of my league, but they sure do look good in the pic's I've seen.
Any help/advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:48 PM   #2
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Todd, welcome to the forum or fray...whichever you prefer.

If you are going to use kerdi then you want to use a premium unmodified thinset both to adhere the kerdi to the substrate (preferably drywall) and also to adhere the tile to the kerdi. In the Mapei world that would be KeraBond.

You do not have to mud the curb but you have to cover the 2x4s with something...either drywall or CBU.

The shelve you refer to are generally made by the setter but if others know where they can be located chime in. Some guys will epoxy two pieces of stone together and then once the cut the shape they will bullnose and polish the edge.


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Old 03-08-2010, 04:46 PM   #3
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Kerdi on walls

Hey guy's,
I'm new to the tiling world and I'm about to do a 30x60 shower job in my master bath. I am a bit confused when reading some of the theads on putting Kerdi directly on drywall? Will the drywall not soak up the moisture from the thinset and cause it to break down in the future?
I was planning on tearing out the drywall and putting up cement board, is that not neccesary?
Next question, If I leave the drywall up and only put Kerdi on the wall appox 30" from the floor (expense reasons) can I put the unmodified thinset directly on the drywall?
Trying to make sure I get it all right in my head before I break out the hammer.
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:50 PM   #4
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Hi Todd,

Schluter approves regular drywall as a substrate behind their waterproof Kerdi membrane. You install Kerdi to the drywall with a premium unmodified thinset (DitraSet or Kerabond are two good choices). It is recommended to take a damp sponge to the drywall surface just prior to spreading the thinset on the drywall.

Your plan to only Kerdi 30" up from the bottom is NOT A GOOD IDEA. If you want to go with Kerdi you must continue it up the wall to at least the height of your shower head.
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:54 PM   #5
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Hi again Todd,

I merged your two threads. We have a "one project, one thread" policy here. This makes it easier for you to track your progress and allows us to easily see what you have asked and had answered before in one handy thread.

Go ahead and bookmark this thread so you don't lose track of it. A new post at any time will bring it right back to the top of the forum queue.
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:01 PM   #6
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Thanks Joe,
By not having the expense of the cement board I'll be able to buy enough Kerdi to do the whole wall.
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Sounds good to me. Regular drywall is what you want, non need for the greenboard.

For your curb- 3 stacked 2x4s works well, just cover all exposed surfaces with drywall.

Don't forget to post some pics once you get going!
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:45 PM   #8
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Hi Todd, welcome to the forum. Ask lots of questions, post pitchers, etc. We look forward to following your project.
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Old 03-12-2010, 06:31 PM   #9
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New question, same project

Hey guys, got another quesion on my kerdi shower. Can I apply the Kerdi to the wall board before I build my pan or do I need to wait until I finish the pan. Since it will all be sealed with the Kerdi band I don't see a problem doing the walls first, but that's why I'm asking the pro's.
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Hi Todd,
Yet another good thing I like about Kerdi...You can do the floor last if you'd like. The key thing to remember is that you need to allow for the 2" overlap at all seams. If you are careful and leave off the bottom row of tile on the walls you could tile and grout all the walls and then install the floor and drain.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:34 PM   #11
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Thanks Joe! That was kinda my thought. I didn't like the idea of climbing all over the new pan and Kerdi while installing the wall tile.
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Old 03-13-2010, 12:33 AM   #12
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Hey Todd,

That's a great way to do your Kerdi shower. When I did mine, I stood on my OSB subfloor and set my drywall, kerdi, tile, grout and installed all of my fixtures before I did anything with my mud pan.

One thing you will have to consider is where you will set your ledger board for the second course of tile above your pan. That will determine the size of the bottom course of tile that is just above your shower pan.

Think about how your tile will lay out on the wall.......are you going to the ceiling? Maybe split the difference between the top-most tile and the lowest.

I used a soft pencil and drew different layouts on the Kerdi to visualize what it would look like from top to pan. At the same time, think about any nitches, your plumbing fixtures, benches, etc. and how the tile will lay out on those areas as well.....you may need to make some compromises to center a valve on a tile or a grout line as opposed to having it land all nilly-willy or to avoid a very thin-cut tile somewhere. Think way ahead and try to predict everything.

Plan out your whole layout before you set you ledger board. You will be happy you spent a bunch of time doing this. (Don't get frustrated if you spend a whole day just laying out all the possibilities, I did!)

Below is a photo of my shower just before I did my mud pan.

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Old 03-13-2010, 12:02 PM   #13
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Thanks Snets,
I have many ideas in my head but will do some "layout" patterns on the walls prior to thinseting them. I will not have any niches, plan to fabricate my own corner shelves, (8-10") out of tile or marble in a rounded pie shape. I will, however, be building a corner bench out of cinder blocks and broken bricks then cover it with kerdi.
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Make it easier on yourself by framing the bench with 2x4s, cover the seat area with 3/4" plywood, then cover the entire bench (including seat) with drywall.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:45 AM   #15
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Ok, so, been doing some browsing on the different threads here and came across one that was about putting thinset on a concrete floor prior to making a mud bed. I have read in some tile books about useing a sponge and dampening the concrete first, but nothing about thinset. Is this neccesary? If so, how long do I wait until I start with the mud bed?
Sorry for all the questions, trying to make sure all my ducks are lined up straight.
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