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Old 11-08-2009, 12:53 AM   #1
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sealer and grout mixed together

Hey guy's i need your help. I am going to do my first shower tile job including the ceiling. Ant pinters on sticking the ceiling tiles? But my main question is " have you ever mixed the sealer and grount in hopes of a better or more water resistant grout?" I would appeeciate any serious help or advice. Terry

ps, I don't know what i am doing with this forum thing either.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:19 AM   #2
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Terry,
I made the mistake once of putting a penetrating sealer onto grout that still had some moisture in it. The Tobacco Brown ended up with a indelible white haze.
If it was really that simple, the geniuses in the grout labs would have suggested it years ago. As it is, they put a massive amount of chemistry into even "basic" grout these days. Don't out smart yourself. Just follow directions.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:43 AM   #3
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Welcome, Terry.

I'll move this to the Advice forum as it looks like it'll be a shower construction thread more than a cleaning and sealing thread.

What Shaughnn said.

If you want a "water resistant" grout you might look into one of the epoxies or some of the other stain resistant grouts already on the market.

You'll likely be old before you manage to reinvent that wheel. Unless, of course, you have a pretty well staffed and equipped lab and wanna go head to head with some of the grout manufacturers out there. If you do come up with the better mouse trap in that arena, though, I bet you'll get some nice offers from the competition.

But if you're willing to be just a little patient and let your regular ol' cementitious grout get well cured and pretty dry, there are a number of really good penetrating sealers available to pewt on it that are real helpful in deflecting water and stains.

But first build a good, watertight shower and you won't need to worry about your grout 'cept for cleaning.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:07 AM   #4
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But first build a good, watertight shower and you won't need to worry about your grout 'cept for cleaning.
What cx said.

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But my main question is " have you ever mixed the sealer and grout in hopes of a better or more water resistant grout?"
there are products out there to do this, but not commonly used in the tile trade.
your best bet is to use an additive to make the grout more dense, reduces absorption
and stain proof like Laticrete 1776 Admixture or Grout Boost.
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Terry - you only care about stain resistance. Grout is going to get wet unless you put on some kind of topical coating.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:47 PM   #6
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Thanks fellers. That is all helpful. Glad I asked b4 I screwed up bad. Sorry about my spelling too. Actually it was just a typo. I didn't proffread my message. Thanks again. Now about the other part of my question, Any tricks of the trade for setting ceiling tiles? Again, thanks for your help. Terry
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Any tricks of the trade for setting ceiling tiles?
mix your thinset really good to the right consistency.
or get some Laticrete 255 multimax
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Before grout boost there was "anti-hydro" used for this purpose.
Terry use a high quality grout and sealer and you have nothing to worry about.
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Before grout boost there was "anti-hydro" used for this purpose.
Trask, that's what I was referring to in my post.
but didn't want to throw that out there to confuse people.
I also made a post a while back about it.
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there are products out there to do this, but not commonly used in the tile trade.
the company is from the middle of NJ and I have used them several times on projects years and years ago.
but they are not widely used or popular in our trade.
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Thanks again hermanos, Terry
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tiling a ceiling isn't as hard as you would think. As long as the mortar is mixed right, the tiles just stick up there and stay in place. It is actually easier than doing a wall (except when you get mortar in your eye)
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