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Unread 02-29-2008, 07:51 PM   #1
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Chinese Botticino Beige Marble

Product of China. No brand on box. Botticino Beige, pattern M123, shade No. 2. 5 each 12 x 12 tile per box. Mostly 3/8 thick, tile not gauged. Highly polished,(already has some light scratches). Actually just a smidgin over 12 inches square...varies from 1/32 to 1/64...so far.

Opened 2 out of 10 boxes and 6 out of the 10 tile had from dime sized to nickel sized "dead spots/rough stone" places on mostly the surface near the edges of the tile. Also had very small chips on edges...not very many, but one is too many. Very small chamfer on edge...no more than 1/16.

Also had very deep and wide veins,(open, not tight), and looked like if you tapped these things, they would break easily. These "flaws" would be very easily seen when these are laid. I figured 1/16 spacing. Yes, I could carefully orientate the tile so that the "flaws" could not be as easily seen, but it would be interesting, to say the least. The floor these go on has a window at the end, lighting up the floor like a lighted mirrow would be, almost.

My question is: Is this typical of this type marble?

I think, but am not sure, that these tile came from Home Depot. The little marble I have used came from Italy...and was nothing like this stuff.

Thank you in advance for any input you may have...

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Unread 02-29-2008, 08:16 PM   #2
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Carroll~ Italian products are, IMHO, generally very good. The Chinese have "cashed in" on this particular market as of late. I have NOT been impressed with their "Natural Stone" products. I did, recently install about 2,000 sq. ft. of a "Face Porcelean" that was actually pretty good.....for the price. For marble, however, I would stick to a good Italian import. They have been around far longer than the recent imports......
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Unread 02-29-2008, 08:17 PM   #3
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I would say what you purchased isn't the best of marble.
most Bottocino is very light, smooth and clean looking

I myself like the Bottocino Classico the best.
its has darker veins.
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We've just been shopping for Botticino marble (awaiting the arrival of our order any day now...). There was a definite difference between the Italian marble and all the others. While it was significantly more pricey, we went with the Italian as it was the more refined, elegant look we wanted.
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Unread 03-01-2008, 06:37 AM   #5
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Thank you for your replies. My customer had purchased tile for the job. I have not seen enough different grades of marble to really tell if this was good or not. What I have used was always very nice, and did not want to insult or upset my customer by saying it looked like seconds or worse.

I did discuss with her what would be involved with getting it to look as good as I could...using bad ones for cut pieces, doing away with imperfections, etc.

Just curious as to what others thought...

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Unread 03-01-2008, 07:47 AM   #6
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As Lazarus said the Chinese had cash in on the stone market producing way below the quality that Italy, Spain ,etc offer. They are in my point of view do more damage than good by offering products disguised under Italian names and cheap prices, they do not have the technology or the skills to produce decent materials even if they import the blocks from Italy, Spain etc.


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Not typical of the tile as it comes from a reputable stone dealer, which to me is at least half the buying decision (not just price). May or may not be from HD but no matter where from, caveat emptor...
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Unread 03-01-2008, 10:08 AM   #8
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Appreciate comments.


Dumb question of the hour:

Do the Chinese (and others) import the marble, or do they have marble quarries, and then sell it under established pattern names?

Hard to believe they could import and then produce tile, and then ship, etc., and still make a profit...especially selling cheaply...sort of.

Strange.

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....the more refined, elegant look we wanted



Pam, that was almost exactly what my customer was expecting. Major disappointment when we examined the tiles out of the box. Evidently, the salesperson led her to believe it was the best.

Customer is having conversation with salesperson as of yesterday afternoon, also needing more tile, as the estimated coverage was a little short.

I feel to blame on most of this, as I am usually in early on buying descisions for projects, I just was delayed on this job and didn't get in on it.

I will let everyone know how it turns out Monday evening.

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Brian-

Thanks for the pics. Nice ones.

The tile customer purchased looks similar to the Botticino Beige, except with very well defined veins (almost open cracks)

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Unread 03-01-2008, 10:25 AM   #11
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Natural Stone is transported in 6' x 10' x 6' blocks all over the world.

Slabs can also processed in there country of origin.

For example the Crema Marfil quarry is located in the Valencia area of Spain, they process materials nearby, however a large amount of rough blocks are also transported to several countries.
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Stonehenge-

That is interesting. You would think the transportation cost would be pretty high, but then I guess if you ship a LOT of it...it pays to get it.

Kinda like Japan likes any old growth wood they can get, or any other premium wood. So we sell it to them. Course, for that matter, we will sell almost anything to anybody...

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Including Italy, Turkey and CHINA.The Chinese also have an "habit" to mislead and use Italian names as the material was actually originated and processed over there (China).There is two type of Botticino that comes from Italy wich are Botticino Classico and Botticino Fiorito, so is very important to check the boxes and read if actually the material is made in Italy.


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Unread 03-01-2008, 10:47 AM   #14
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Hi Carroll

My name is Michael by the way, I keep forgetting to sign my posts.

The best Botticino out there rarely comes to the USA, the best stone stays in Italy or gets transported to the middle east where they can afford this premium version. I have re-polished the classico, semi classico and Fiorito versions and have only personally seen the premium stone in churches where it was installed over 80 years ago.

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Michael-

I made the mistake of looking at your website.

How long has the Tuscan system been around?

Do I get in trouble asking business questions here?
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