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Unread 04-21-2006, 09:42 AM   #1
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Tile at waterline

I am looking for suggestions on what to use for setting tile that will be partially submerged, this is for a Koi pond and will be 6" tiles that will be half above and half below the water, also could slate be used or should I go with porcelain tile.

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Unread 04-21-2006, 12:40 PM   #2
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That is a great looking pond. Did you design and build it?
Mapei, Kerabond mixed with Keralastic is the mortar to use. I don't know why you can't use the slate and continue the look you have. If you live in a heavy frost/freeze Zone I might go with a porcelain tile instead.
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Unread 04-21-2006, 02:05 PM   #3
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Thanks yes I did design and build it, good deal that is what I used to set the rest of the slate, just a side note the pond is heated with radiant heating so it will never be below about 50 degrees.

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Unread 04-21-2006, 02:13 PM   #4
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Looks great Stacey!!!

Many different things you can do,if you want to get into the "design" element of it.

Here's a URL of a pool tile place in my neck of the woods. It will give you some ideas anyways.

http://www.luvtile.com/

Keep up the great work Stacey!
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Hey Stacey,

That is one nice pond! If I'd built something like that in my little yard, the fish would have to find somewhere else to live. Radiant heat to keep the water warm, all those nice ledges to rest the drinks on...

Anyway, can I ask which radiant system you're using in it?
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Unread 04-21-2006, 02:22 PM   #6
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Thanks Rich.
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Thanks it has been alot of work as I have done the whole thing myself,
I am a radiant floor heating contractor and use mostly Wirsbo products for tubing and manafolds.
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Make sure and send along a photo or two when the water is running and there are some fish in there. Good luck keeping the critters out of there.
How deep is it?
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Unread 04-21-2006, 03:16 PM   #9
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Jerry,

I will post pictures when finished, the pond is 5' deep.
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Unread 04-21-2006, 03:27 PM   #10
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Well,slate is probably the worst thing you can use if you want no maintenance,just because of the spalling.I'd go with porcelain myself, even though you've started with the slate, already,you can get porcelain that looks almost exactly like the slate you have.
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What would you guy's use for grout? I would like to use the same thing on everything but the cap stone has 1/4" grout joints and the slate has 3/16" is that a problem, also what to use to clean everything before sealing and last but not least what would be the best sealer, the cap stone are concrete.
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Unread 04-21-2006, 03:35 PM   #12
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So even sealed really well you think I will have problems, the pond will be heated so there is no issue with freezing.
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My thinking is the slate is somewhat porous, at least between layers. Sitting partially in water, some will wick up into the stone, regardless of how well it is sealed. Then, if it freezes...ice forms, pieces break off. Now, obviously, if the heating system doesn't fail, the part IN the water, and someways above it because of conduction will stay above freezing, but it could get cold enough to cause problems. Would take a cold spell, but possible. A porcelain slate look alike is nearly impervious to moisture and would be much more resistant to that, and you could scrub slime, etc. off of it without affecting it as well. A good porcelain is nearly indestructable.
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Unread 04-22-2006, 10:17 AM   #14
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Slate pond

Ok after some advice from members here I decided to go with a porcelain tile around the water line, now what would be the best way of grouting and sealing? I have concrete cap stones and the slate that need to be cleaned grouted and sealed, should I clean everything seal the slate and concrete and then grout(I am planning on gray grout and don't want to stain the cap stone and slate) or grout then clean evrything then seal also what products do you guy's recommend for sealing and cleaning,and can I use regular grout on the waterline tile?

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Hi Stacey, you can seal before grouting if you'd like. Mask off the cap with 2 inch tape before grouting if you're worrying about staining. Regular tile grout is fine, seal again after the grout sets a few days. You have it looking good.
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