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Old 01-03-2018, 10:17 PM   #1
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seal a leak

Hello,

a good long while ago I had the complete bathroom re-done. The shower has glass sides and the glass is sitting on a 6x6 'base', the shower floor is lower. A vinyl (rubber) seal was used but when I started using it the wood in the 'base' started swelling, so obviously there is a leak somewhere. (the company that did the work is out of business). I had the tile fixed/replaced and the guy that did the work said that a bunch of grout lines were never filled.
He filled those. After that I have never really used the shower anymore, because I wanted to see if it can be reliably 'sealed'. I wondred if water could get through the grout lines. the base , 6x6 around is covered with marble.

Any tips/ideas/recommendations for really sealing the 'pan' (base and shower floor) would be appreciated. (since I would like to start using it again

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Ron,

Got pics?

Tile + grout + caulk + thinset is NOT waterproof. The shower needs to be completely waterproof before the first tile is installed.

You're probably looking at a complete re-do, but we'd like to see pictures anyway.
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Hi,

thanks for the reply. I don't think pics will show much, since I haven't used it since it was fixed. The shower did have a liner installed. During the repair I saw though, that it didn't go all the way over the edge where the glass sits.

I'll see what I can do.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:09 AM   #4
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If the curb swelled, the typical causes can be that the liner was punctured by the installers during construction, either on purpose or by accident, or it's punctured by the guys who install the glass.
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Pictures showing a swollen curb = a new shower

Pictures showing a swollen wall = a new shower

A round drain usually = a vinyl liner

We like pictures.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:40 PM   #6
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Ron, a few questions.

1. Are you calling the curb a base?

2. You say the base is 6x6 so I assume that's the shower floor which usually includes the curb. Is that correct?

3. Is the rubber seal you mentioned under the drain?

Sorry for the questions, just trying to figure out where the swelling wood is.
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Old 01-05-2018, 06:52 PM   #7
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Hello,

sorry for the delay, but work etc. I took a few pics, I'll try to attach them.

The first one is of the shower itself, to have an idea.

The second one shows the corner on the outside, before the repair the tile on the right (vertical) was pushed off, than the top ones got loose.

The 3rd one is from the inside, I suspect the corner to leak and maybe the top?

I was wondering (I saw an Australian video) if it is possible to inject a bunch/lot of sealant/rubber/silicone into the corner by drilling a hole first and see if I can fill all cavities.
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Thanks for the pics, Ron. If the pan liner didn't come over the curb to the bathroom side, then water is getting to the wood underneath and swelling. Usually the first sign of this is cracked grout joints, tiles bulging out and eventually coming loose. The brackets holding the glass could also be the problem if they drilled thru the curb to anchor them.

I can't see injecting silicone thru a drilled hole is going to help.
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well, the liner did get up and over, but only about half way.

You think the leak is "on top" ?
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A sure sign of a failed shower is a puffy curb.

If you knock on the curb tile with your knuckles, do they all sound solid ?
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Yeah, what Paul said.

Stopping half way on top of the curb isn't good enough. The liner should go all the way to the bath floor.
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Ok, than that probably is the problem. (I actually asked the guys that installed it if that shouldn't be like that, they tucked it and said it was fine.

So maybe take the tile glass/tile off and cover it all the way, so it cannot get to the wood?
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It might be possible to add to the liner by gluing another piece to what you have and extend it on over the curb. Another problem we see these days is installers nailing cement board to the curb on the inside and top. Of course, the nails go right thru the liner. I'd make sure that whoever installs it back doesn't do that. Also, they will need to take careful measurements to make sure the tile is installed back exactly like it is now so the glass will fit back. I hope the wood in the curb isn't already in bad shape.

I'd be concerned about the area between the shower and tub. It's best to extend the pan liner all the way up and over onto the tub deck and under the glass. If they run the liner short on the curb, I wouldn't be surprised if they run it short in that area too.

There's some pics here in this thread. http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/...ead.php?t=5434
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According to industry standards, the liner is to go fully to the bottom of the outside of the curb for a very good reason -

When the water gets past the tile, past the grout, and into the thinset / mud bed, it starts to spread out in all directions. Do you really think a piece of glass setting atop the tile is going to stop this from happening?
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Old 01-07-2018, 03:20 PM   #15
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On the sides the liner goes all the way up, they were just 'short' on the side where the entrance is (but said it was just fine, apparently not.)

alright, looks like another do over (oh and yes, the cement board was was nailed to it through the liner, but also some green gooy water proofer was painted on the cement board.
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