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Old 08-22-2017, 08:38 PM   #1
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kitchen walls of herringbone

hey guys. thanks for the help.

i am finishing a kitchen redo & planning the tile purchase. we (she) decided we want herringbone.
the assumption we're working with is the pre-glued sheets will be faster than laying each tile. but, ultimately, the finished product is more important to us than speed.
we are planning to do all of the areas above countertops, around a window, and a large a wall with no cabinets that is over 8' tall. i think the area to be tiled is approx 100sq/ft.

1. what do ya'll think of herringbone sheets? will the sheets look as good or even better than an individually laid pattern? or is this a non issue? i've tiled several rooms in the past and am used to being persnickety, but am still a noob.

2. what other things will i definitely need for this project. non-sag thinset? (i'm near an Ace and a Lowes, if that means anything.) a speed square? a carpenters square? a laser beam?

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What sizes are the sheets? the individual tiles?

A laser is most excellent to make many horizontal, vertical and angled lines to follow.
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Yep, if you lay out some tiles, you'll find the pattern will repeat. You want to make sure to get the lines on the money so the tiles will stay within the module you have laid out. Getting the lines square with one another is also important especially if you have to go all the way around the window and need the pattern to tie back in. A laser will help for sure. Take some pics for us when you're done.
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Old 08-23-2017, 07:21 AM   #4
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paul- the individual tiles are sort of up in the air.
a 1x4 is in the running. but also a ~7.5 x 1.75. (larger is less $)
the sheets are made of 1x4 tiles and are 12x11. the ones we have are eyes on are a honed thassos white. we will use some variety of white grout for a soft looking result.
what sort of info does that give you, paul?
how does the honed change my process vs using glossy?

davy- will definitely need pattern to tie back in around window as the window is centered over sink which is in center of kitchen and focal point of the room from the rest of the living space.
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The size of the tiles on the sheets lets me know you will need a laser for sure unless you are incredible with a 4 foot level.

We try to talk customers out of marble in kitchens every chance we get. Granted it is perty, but it can stain and etch with considerable ease.

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For a backsplash, unless you are flinging food everywhere the marble is ok. Honed will show the etching less than a polished, again if you tend to get crazy while cooking get the honed. A back splash can be tedious, small pieces like that will test your patience so take your time.

Petroleum based sealer is better for oil stain protection
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Old 08-23-2017, 06:58 PM   #7
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paul- i hear myself say to myself that i am decent with a 4 foot level. so that means a laser is in order. there are quite a variety.

would you have 2-3 laser rec's (brand, model, i'm clueless) for someone who would use it maybe once/twice a year? i am rehabbing an entire house, but am on an artist budget. (and an artist who you have never heard of, if that describes the budget or just go to Lowest and get whatever they got?

jeff - yes, working in the conversation with my boss that she should expect this to take a few or more days. i appreciate the advice.
is this petroleum sealer something that goes on before the tiles hit the wall? what is a brand that is halfway decent?
are staining and etching not the same thing? what is actually staining and/or etching the tile? red sauce, bacon grease?
i've never in my life had tile in the kitchen.

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I'm not Paul or Jeff but I'll take a stab at it while they are napping.

We've talked about lasers here many times, I'd do a search and see what comes up. I would want a laser that shoots both vertical and horizontal lines and that's self leveling. I can't remember the brand and model of mine but it was under 300.00. Once you have one, you'll find other uses for it.

I like Miracle brand sealers, 511 porous plus, it's a natural sealer and will not enhance the color of the stone. Etching is when you apply something that eats the surface away, usually an acidic cleaner or food splashing. It will eat the surface of the stone taking the shine away. A stain is usually from food or grease splashing. And just because it's sealed doesn't make it bulletproof. It may still stain depending on the stone and what is splashed on it and how quickly you try to clean it up.
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PLS 180 (usta be a different number) is the laser I've used for many years, Michael. When you're the trim man and cabinet installer, it can pay for itself very quickly. Same for the tile man. 'Bout three hunnert bucks, as Davy said.

Great for trimming hedges late in the evening, too.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Yep, that's the one I have too, Cx. Very handy tool.
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Davy and cx- thanks for the specifics. I look for one of those laser doodads.
And I know I've seen miracle sealants readily available in my area, if not, online.

So, I guess we're gonna bite the bullet here soon and buy some tile. I'm sure I'll have more questions.
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im just doing a herringbone at the moment, funnily enough the first i have ever done the tiles are 600mmx150mm
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Old 08-26-2017, 11:03 AM   #14
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jim - herringbone must be in the air . that looks great! do you have any more pics? id love to see more.
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all the guys - actually my partner would be interested in a herringbone sheet of white porcelain but we can't find it. a great bonus would be if it is cheaper than marble.

1 do you have any suggestions on a white porcelain sheet with tiles approx 1" x4"?
2. how much longer would it take to lay 100 sq ft of 1"x4" tiles vs laying 100 sq ft of individuals?
3. is the sheet easier to line up?
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