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Unread 01-12-2017, 07:58 PM   #1
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Cracked tile in brand new shower...contractor EFFED up!!

I can't believe this happened...my contractor is not even done with my bathroom yet and there is cracked subway tile all along the area where the scratch wall for the shower and hardy backer meets. If you look at the pictures u can clearly see that there is a crack in the cement for the scratch wall and then the tile is cracked along the same line. My contractor said he's never seen this happen in all his years of working. At this point I do not trust his subcontractors ability and would like to know what they did wrong and the correct way to fix this.

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Unread 01-12-2017, 08:16 PM   #2
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Trista,

Welcome to the forum.

Do you have any idea how the shower walls were waterproofed?
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Unread 01-12-2017, 08:21 PM   #3
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Hi Paul, I remember them stapling chicken wire and black paper in that area and then putting cement on top of that? The crack goes along the entire seam of where the cement for the shower ends and meets the hardy backer.
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Is the crack inside the wet area or outside ?
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Unread 01-12-2017, 08:32 PM   #5
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its obviously a movement crack and to fix it will need a expansion joint there
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Unread 01-12-2017, 08:37 PM   #6
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Hi Paul,

It's in the dry area of the tile. If the glass enclosure for the shower was installed, the crack would be about 2" to the left of the glass.

Here is a video that explains a little better:
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2iw6o2g&s=9
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Unread 01-12-2017, 08:50 PM   #7
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I've never seen it either.

I'll defer to the 'mud' experts on the forum.

Somebody wake Davy
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Unread 01-12-2017, 10:23 PM   #8
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My contractor F*CKED up...tile cracking in new shower!!

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I'm not a professional but a homeowner seeking professional advice. I can't believe this happened...my contractor is not even done with my bathroom yet and there is cracked subway tile all along the area where the scratch wall for the shower and hardy backer meets. If you look at the pictures u can clearly see that there is a crack in the cement for the scratch wall and then the tile is cracked along the same line. My contractor said he's never seen this happen in all his years of working. At this point I do not trust his subcontractors ability and would like to know what they did wrong and the correct way to fix this.

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Unread 01-12-2017, 11:11 PM   #9
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where the scratch wall for the shower and hardy backer meets
Why didn't the mudwork go all the way around? Why have Hardi and mud in the same area? I think it's obvious why it's cracked. IMO the Hardi area should be removed and replaced with mud that ties into the existing lathe and mud. Or...... somehow remove the tile and bridge the 2 different substrates really well with some tape and thinset. I would hope that the seam would meet at the stud. Doesn't look like it and I don't see any sign of mesh and thinset above the tile at the seam.
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Is the mudwork only 1/2" thick?

And as for the Hardibacker walls outside the shower:
There's no evidence of tape on any of the seams that are currently exposed. Can you confirm a lack of mesh tape on the seams that have been tiled over? This appears to be a basic, day-one mistake of not taping the seams.

Looks like you've got light marble for the threshold and shower floor? Please tell us about the shower pan construction, if you know. Any details at all will help us help you know what's going on with the rest of the tile job.

EDIT: Trista, please limit your questions to a single thread so the volunteers aren't performing redundant work. I've merged the two threads into one. Thank you.

And now that I see the pictures from the second thread, I'm really concerned about the waterproofing of that niche and the shower pan.


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Unread 01-13-2017, 01:36 AM   #11
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Bubba, you are correct..there does not seem to be tape at the seams of exposed hardibacker boards....although they did use tape for the seams on the 1st wall they tiled (see pic attached). If I understand correctly, it is important to use this tape at all seams no matter if they are in dry or wet areas of the bathroom right? Especially since I have subway tiles from floor to ceiling on every wall of my bathroom. I want to make sure when I meet with my contractor tomorrow what I should tell them to fix and how to fix it.

As for the shower pan, I remember them stapling a black paper to the wall, this metal mesh thing and then putting tar on the bottom of the shower pan.
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Yes mesh tape must be used on all seams and corners along with thinset.
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Not just the easy parts in the middles?
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Looks like y'all have a handle on the cause, weird that they didn't mud it all the way?

I've also seen cracks like that when the guy left his sticks in the mud and tiled. But in this case, knowing the hardi and mud meet there it's obvious.

Did they tile it the day it was mudded?
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Paul, I was almost asleep.

If I were going to take a chance on using CBU right beside a mud wall and bridge over the seam with tile, I think I would have left the felt paper off the studs and used a paint on membrane on the CBU surface instead. I would think it would act as an anti fracture membrane and possibly help.

Or, like someone mentioned, tape and thinset over the transition would have possibly helped.
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