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Old 08-13-2014, 10:41 PM   #1
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to leave or not to leave that is the question

hi guys ive been working for a guy for about 5 years now. and ive been getting work here and there but lately ive been getting alot of calls from refferals from previous jobs. just wondering if i should leave the guy that taught me everything. hes a really close friend and even says he thinks of me as a son more than a helper. wondering do i leave and do my own thing or stay and learn more and help him out. the guy says he doesnt want me to think about him as a boss and that i need to get out and make a name for myself. i just dont know if im ready to handle all the jobs. any suggestions?
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Old 08-13-2014, 10:44 PM   #2
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If you can keep a good relationship it would probably work well to subcontract for him while you get your own jobs. That way you're taking a step towards independence without completely jumping in.
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Old 08-13-2014, 10:50 PM   #3
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well thats the thing. ive already done that. ive just had so many calls and i just dont know if i can handle all the jobs that people want me to do. i even tried to over bid them thinking the people wouldn't hire me. but they called me and want to do them. should i make the big step or sub contract. they all like "my work" and want me to do it
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Old 08-13-2014, 10:59 PM   #4
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I'm unclear:

Are you currently a contractor?

Do you contract jobs on your own or only work for someone else?
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Old 08-13-2014, 11:07 PM   #5
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im doing both contracting and sub. but im a new business. and im young only 21. got licensing and everything. i just been using my guy as a way of keeping money flowing. im just trying to decide to take the jobs and start my own thing. or stay with the guy. kinda scared if i do take the jobs that after there done i might be out of work and i wont be able to go back to the guy to pay bills
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:10 AM   #6
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i even tried to over bid them thinking the people wouldn't hire me. but they called me and want to do them
Then you really didnt over bid them.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:24 AM   #7
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5 years is barely a mechanic in my book.
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:02 PM   #8
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5 years is barely a mechanic in my book.
Based on what, Erik? That seems like a mighty broad brush

My personal opinion, Brendan, is that you need to be honest with yourself about what your abilities are and whether or not you have the personality for self employment. That aside, I was "on my own" at your age. I made mistakes, I fixed them, and if I were you I would go for it.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:21 PM   #9
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If you don't have a 6 months salary saved in the bank don't even think about it. A years worth would be better.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:33 PM   #10
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I started my biz at 21. Glad I did. I currently have a right hand man that could leave at any time. I want him to work with me, and currently so does he.
There's more than 2 choices here. First, communicate with this guy that has kept you employed and taught you a great skill. You two can collaborate on these "side jobs". Working solo isn't that great once you've experienced the speed and efficiency of working with someone.

I would also venture to say you need to learn about estimating and pricing, not to mention all the other stuff. Not knocking you, I needed to learn all if that too.

Talk to your boss about being more involved w the business. The opportunity to be a functioning team is very powerful.

There are a million variables to your story that I don't know, but I do know that honesty and being up front about YOUR expectations is a sign of maturity and personal growth.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:38 PM   #11
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If i'm the consumer hiring a tile contractor and my choice was someone with 20 years or 5 years experience, there is no way i'm picking the five year guy.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:07 PM   #12
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Experience is only as good as the education that goes with it. Just sayin
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:23 PM   #13
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a quick thought

being your own boss is no thrill . . .

Ask your boss to be paid top journeyman wage . . . if you are worth it, he'll
gladly pay --

I pay my subs high journeyman scale and expect that level of work done in an expedient manner.

You will make more money than as your own contractor . . . I guarantee it.

The other option is to offer to partner up with your "boss"
With that comes a crapload of responsibility.

I guess my overarching point is there is definitely an upside to showing up for work and going home without doing all the Logistic BS that goes hand in hand
with contracting directly.

Hell, I've been at this 25+ years and still think it would be nice to work
for a couple of very high-end tile-contractor friends of mine. No fussy customers, no shagging materials, no marketing, no call backs, no sales,
etc. etc. -- and not to be an ass, but not having employees and subs
would be a nice thing at times.

follow your heart -- if you have the stones to roll the bones, go for it.

The only real way to retire in this biz is if you have a crew and steady work for years -- If your "that tile guy" it's a slow death one tile at a time
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I think Erik is quite wrong. 5 years into setting tile I was way better than any of the old guys in town who had been muddling along the same way for 20 years, justifying more and more short cuts along the way. Tile is an art and a trade and you can be great at it in a year or still suck after 30.

Brendan: it doesn't have to be a leap. Tell your boss: "I've been getting all these calls for jobs, but I think there's still a lot I would like to learn from you" See if you could stay working for him two weeks/month.

based on some of your previous questions, it seems like your boss has not gone out of his way to teach you the finer points of the trade. That and anyone who spot sets their tiles will only get you so far along the road to being a good tile setter.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:23 AM   #15
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Stephen your post are awesome.

You are a tile poet.
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