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Unread 02-02-2016, 09:48 AM   #181
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Wanted to warn you guys on my experience with this product,

definitely stay, far far away. This stuff was so hard to work with, it was like trying to grout cement that was hard. Then you add water and it got so washed out like a wet dye all over. When ever I go to mop it to clean it, it dries like this. I really am at a loss as I would never in a million years have suspected that my good work could be ruined by a performance, much higher cost, premium grout product from Lowes.
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Unread 02-02-2016, 10:50 AM   #182
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I have been using is since it came out. Never had a problem with it.
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Unread 02-02-2016, 11:36 AM   #183
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^^ me too. My builders are hooked on it.

The grout issue is a strange one. Some people swear by Spectra Lock and never have issues . I hate the stuff. Especially when its 100 degrees in a new house. Power grout has been ok for us. Some getting use to thought.
Latacrete select was a PITA at first but we have gotten the hang of it. Especially after they "re-did" the formula.

Was that installed in the cold weather? Left overnight in a freezing house?
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Unread 02-02-2016, 08:05 PM   #184
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Used it today for grouting cement tiles.Came out beautiful as always.Rock hard real fast.
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Unread 02-03-2016, 06:28 PM   #185
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Used it again today on subway tile.Came out great
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Unread 02-03-2016, 07:45 PM   #186
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This is for the DIYers who are watching...

From my time here, I've learned a number of the premium grouts are not necessarily DIYer user friendly. They're often rapid setting, which means those who have done precious few grout installs need to do everything right AND do it all very fast.

That doesn't mean you can't get good results, it just means you need to know how to stack the deck in your favor going into it. I've cautioned over in the Advice Forum that they're fine to use, but to mix small batches until they learn how it sets up.
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Unread 02-03-2016, 08:30 PM   #187
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Powergrout sets very fast.Walkable in 4 hours.I mix in small batches every time just so my tools do not get coated in grout.
I sometimes mix 3 batches on a backsplash.It is better to mix more buckets than to scrub tile.
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Unread 02-04-2016, 07:01 AM   #188
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Now that I am used to Permacolor Select, I like it. It is ready for foot traffic in three hours.
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Unread 05-17-2016, 07:52 PM   #189
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I just grouted some wainscotting on Sunday. Today, Tues, if I rub a wet finger over the grout line it releases, color & sand. If I use my fingernail I can dig out the joint. What the hell is this stuff, sanded toothpaste??

I actually read a bit about this grout before I started and made sure not to add too much water to the mix since I wasn't using a whole bag at once. It was stiff & tough to work with but mixed thoroughly. I waited for it to set before washing. I don't think I over washed it...but this seems to be pretty subjective, you have to work it enough to shape the line but how much is too much? I guess I'm glad I didn't get the entire bath (subway tile of course) complete, but is there any hope here?

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Unread 05-18-2016, 11:54 AM   #190
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What kind of temps do you have in the area where you grouted? Sometimes colder temps cause drying times to be much longer. Also, I'd wait more than a couple of days before passing sentence on the grout. It may be hard enough to walk on, but with a little agitation could still come out.

I'd make sure the temp in the room is normal (in the 60's or 70's) and give it four or five days, then check again.

The only thing I can think might have caused the problem otherwise would be over-watering it during mixing or cleaning.
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Unread 05-18-2016, 09:29 PM   #191
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Thanks for the reply. Temps were normal when I did the work, 65-70, and the room maintains a normal temp. There was no grout transfer on my finger when I started to wash.

I see the cure time for "maximum stain resistance" is 7 days, so I'll wait a couple more days before I pass full judgement. I'm certainly regretting using what appears to be a touchy product at this point. Maybe it's common knowledge to the Pros, but if overwashing on install is an issue with power grout, a warning on the bag would be helpful!
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Unread 05-19-2016, 08:19 AM   #192
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Just used this for mine. Sanded in beige color. Fairly easy to work with but just the slightest bit over on the water makes it soopy. Also, cleaning off took a while but once dried looks amazing.
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Unread 05-19-2016, 03:15 PM   #193
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Lets see some photos. How did you measure the dry grout and water? Did you premix the dry grout before measuring it out?

"Working too long" can also mean waiting too long to clean, then playing catch up. With rapid setting grouts, it's a very short wait time for me.
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Unread 06-02-2016, 08:52 PM   #194
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I used kitchen measuring cups to measure the grout & water and I did shake the bag. I'm sure I overwashed it, there was water running down some of the tile as I cleaned it. I think I did let some of it sit too long. Not a good product to use on my first time grouting. I pulled it out (about 20 sq ft, came out pretty easily) & had a pro install boosted cement grout. I've had enough of tile & grout for awhile.

Finished pic attached. I built it all from the studs and did all the setting & marble fabricating. Lots of framing in the way so I couldn't center the niche. I think I'd use larger tiles if I did it again.
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Unread 06-05-2016, 06:41 PM   #195
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I wanted to add my own experience with PowerGrout issues.

Project was a bathroom floor and a steam shower, grouted back in January. It's a seasonal home, so shower has not yet been used. Install has simply been sitting, completed, for the past several months. The home has been conditioned before, during, and after install.

The bags of grout were new and unopened, bought from my long time distributor. We've been using Powergrout almost exclusively for the last 3 years, and the grout on this project was mixed, slaked, washed, and buffed per usual timing and methods.

I happened to be back on the project site in early May, and I noticed a damp microfiber was taking off a lot of pigment. Plus, I could rub off actual grout with just finger pressure and slight dampness.

I wet down the grout for several minutes with the shower hose to mimic a shower duration, and the grout turned very loose. Not soupy...it wasn't running out of the joints. But both pigment and material came out of the joint with very little effort.

I'm working with my TEC rep and technical support, and per their suggestion, I first tried wetting down the grout to damp cure it. Didn't work. I then spent many hours applying two coats of their acrylic grout sealer (not fun - especially with 50 SF+ of 2" x 2" mosaic on floor and ceiling).

At first I was painstakingly applying their acrylic sealer with a fine-tipped artists brush to avoid getting it on the tile faces. Then TEC support reassured me that the product could be applied like sealer, with the excess being buffed off. However, the product did in fact end up leaving haze and streaking on the tile faces.

I have not been able to return to project yet to verify if grout has solidified, but am facing at least another return trip to remove haze.

I'm grateful to the TEC reps for continuing to work with me on the fix. And I've filed a claim to re-coup some of the cost. But this project has now gone in the red. And more significantly, I'm now uneasy about all our other projects where PowerGrout was used.

Just wanted to share this as FYI for anyone interested.
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