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Unread 02-17-2010, 10:29 PM   #1
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Hydro Ban and Hydro Barrier in conjunction?

So I've been thinking about over the last week or so. Haven't tried it yet, but in theory it should work, and end up saving some money. What about using Hydro Ban and Hydro Barrier on the same job. Like on a shower for instance. Hydro Ban (no fabric needed!) all corners and changes of planes, about 6-8 inches from each joint. Let it dry. Then apply Hydro Barrier over the walls, pan, ceiling, etc (areas that do not require fabric)... Let dry.

A final coat of Hydro Barrier to finish things up.

The main advantages are the expensive but awesome HydroBan is installed in only the key areas that would require the extra stretch and strength. Hydro Ban will go a long ways using it in these locations. The cheaper Hydro Barrier is used on the lion's share of the loacations, but you still get the exceptional waterproofing and anti-fracture protection. And finally you don't have to buy or worry about installing any fabric which save time and money.

I know gueuze will get a kick out of it!

Thoughts anyone? I'd really love to hear Henry's thoughts on this, or if they even tested the two together. The two products are very similar in makeup so I wouldn't think any problems would arise.
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Unread 02-17-2010, 10:54 PM   #2
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Too much waiting for things to dry-wouldn't this system take like 4 coats?
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Unread 02-17-2010, 11:06 PM   #3
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Should be any longer as you have to wait between coats anyway. And then with Hydro Barrier alone, you have the fabric installation which adds time.

With my idea above above you have three layers.

1. HydroBan in corners and change of planes. Let dry. HydroBan dries to touch really quick. 30-45 minutes in my experience.

2. First coat of Hydro Barrier. Let dry to touch.

3. Final Coat of Hydro Barrier.
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Unread 02-18-2010, 12:09 AM   #4
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It probably would work, but if you have problems who would you call?

I would just stick with one or the other.
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You won't be able to get the hydroban thick enough to only do one coat of it. You need two at least. And I usually do an extra coat in all the corners and pan just to be safe.
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You now have to buy two products. What is your savings? Stick with one or the other. Are things really that bad in Texas?
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Yeah your buying 2 pails of waterproofing now plus thae fabric is cake to install.
I painted my corners and pre cut my fabric before I installed it, took about 20 mins.
I would say your FrankenSanjuro shower is a flop
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Brian,

After using Hydrobarrier. Do you see yourself going back to "orange" or continuing with Hydrobarrier or Hydroban?
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Theres a place for them all. I offer my customers a choice of waterproofing and let them pick unless they have their heart set on a product. But yeah the HyrdoBarrier just moved up the list.
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Cool Another plus would be that you can use a Laticrete thinset of your choice.
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Thanks for the responses. Like I said I haven't tried it yet. Just been milling it over. I have both products right now. But I haven't tried the Hydro Barrier yet (will be soon), so I was think of ways to make my Hydro Ban last a bit longer.

BTW Brian, what type of fabric did you use with the Hydro Barrier?
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Laticrete has a thin Fabric that goes with the Hydro Barrier.

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Brian- when you let your customer choose the waterproofing do you give them a price per sqft and pros and cons of each one?
I thought about offering 3 installation material levels for clients, kindoff like laticrete, silver, gold, and platinum. But I usually base it on the what is required for the particular job.
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Brian- when you let your customer choose the waterproofing do you give them a price per sqft and pros and cons of each one?
I just give them a total of the job with each one, (traditional liner, sheet membrane or liquid membrane). I do tell them good things about each product and go into the pros & cons on a very small amount.

this job I am doing now they homeowner gave it to me since I was very detailed, pointed out problems that a saw would be a problem and pointed out errors another tile contractor was going to go ahead with on the job if he did it. even though I was higher they went with me and felt comfortable with me.
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hydro barrier is junk. It is not hydroban! I tried HB once. Did 2 coats with 24 hours between, then 36 hours after 2nd coat for a good cure time then started flood test. Failed flood test after 24 hours. No thanks!

I switched to membranes and never looked back! They are quick easy and cost effective.
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