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Unread 05-21-2009, 10:07 PM   #1
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Paper faced glass tile.

What would a guy charge for a whole wall of this crap.
I can easily do the glass, but want to charge $40.00 per sf. or $60.00 per hour.
Which ever comes first.
And what does a guy do if the grout color is in deep contrast to the thinset being used. Can I use a different thinset, (always been told to use white.)

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Unread 05-22-2009, 07:29 AM   #2
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You still must use white thinset due to the transparency of the glass, however i've had people who have used their glass with charcoal gray grouts etc., I imagine that your using oceanside glass?
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Unread 05-22-2009, 07:46 AM   #3
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Hi Neil,
What glass is this? And what size?
For most glass mosaic, I use Laticrete's 254 white as a setting bed. If you want the white to show through but need the joints to be full and complete with a contrasting color, I would suggest that you experiment with this process:
Comb out thinset
Knock down ridges
Burn desired grout into back of mosaic sheet
Wipe grout from surface with nearly-dry sponge
Beat sheet into setting bed

I'd work up a sample of white bed.surface grout, grout bed, and the above described hybrid method and see which your client prefers. All will yield very different results.

Can't offer any advice on the pricing though. You know how quickly you work, what your overhead is and how much you need to bring in on any given day. Let those determine your pricing.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 08:37 AM   #4
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Laticretes 4237 with their grout makes colored thinset, then grout with same color mixed with 1776 additive.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 08:55 AM   #5
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Richie, you know if any of the glass manufacturers will buy off on that grout/thinset combination?

Or if Laticrete will stand behind a glass installation using their grout as thinset?

Would seem to solve some specific installation problems, but I'd like to know if any of the manufacturers think it's a good eye-dee.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 09:05 AM   #6
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Geez how do you guys memorize all of these laticrete numbers?
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Unread 05-22-2009, 10:14 AM   #7
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It sounds like oceanside and if it is, i know oceanside specs you can use TEC Superflex white.
Here's a link: http://www.glasstile.com/default2.as...all_intro.html
http://www.glasstile.com/OGT-Install...glish_2009.pdf
Also take note, if this is what you're installing. Only use sanded grout.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 10:25 AM   #8
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Richie, you know if any of the glass manufacturers will buy off on that grout/thinset combination?
I set a glass tile in November and that was the specified setting product in the instructions. I can't remember the name of the company right now though. It looked like Oceanside glass but instead of removing the paper in 20 or so minutes and adjusting/blending adjoining sheets as with Oceanside, this other maker specifying laticrete grout and 4237 was pretty specific about flatten the ridges, beat it in, and you'd better be happy because the paper stays for 24 hours before removal.

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Which thin set can I use to install glass mosaics over masonry surfaces?
For the conventional two-step process of thin-setting and grouting, use LATICRETE 211 Powder mixed with LATICRETE 4237 Latex Additive or LATICRETE 254 Platinum. Another option would be to use the one-step method of installation and grouting, using LATICRETE 1500 Sanded Grout - (select finish grout choice) mixed with LATICRETE 4237 Latex Additive.
http://www.laticrete.com/Architects/TechnicalServices/FAQ/PlanningaJob/Thinset/tabid/268/Default.aspx
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Unread 05-22-2009, 11:48 AM   #9
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Here ya go.

http://www.senyuanglass.com/Resource...2/Default.aspx

http://www.laticrete.com/Portals/0/pdf/bsazspec.pdf
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Unread 05-22-2009, 07:51 PM   #10
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I certainly like the idea behind grouting from the back and cleaning it off, then beating it into the thinset. It certainly would allow for a more rigid installation during this installation period. I never use less than a 1/4" square notch and do lightly smooth the ridges out. But now that I see that you can pre-grout then install, I'll be much happier.
What about my initial question? What charges for glass tile.
I've heard as much as $30.00 per foot.

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Unread 05-22-2009, 07:58 PM   #11
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$40 sounds about right. If there's a lot of detail go to $50. I use portland cement with dye for the grout and backbutter the sheets. You can use white thinset and black grout if you want. Beats having to knife out the joints.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 08:01 PM   #12
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Is the glass transparent? If not don't worry about cleaning the back of the tile. Backbutter and stick it up into the thinset. You'll definitely want to flatten your ts ridges. 95% less trapped air.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 08:16 PM   #13
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My next glass shower insert is thin stuff, getting 4237. I need a gallon, heard they only sell it in 5's.

All those numbers? Hell, we work in a world of geometry, it's all numbers.

Get with the program, or get the "Hello Kitty" additive.

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Unread 05-22-2009, 09:33 PM   #14
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yes, Laticrete 4237 with grout makes colored thinset,

Glass Mosaic Tiles ...?

Yes, RD has the technique right:

"Laticrete 4237 with their grout makes colored thinset, then grout with same color mixed with 1776 additive."

YES, This is a Laticrete APPROVED" method. It is listed in our literature and recommended by glass mosaic tile factories worldwide.

This method has been well proven over the last 50 years around the world ...!

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Unread 05-22-2009, 11:32 PM   #15
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Thank you Henry. But how do these additives work with the new Permacolor grouts, now that 1500-series and 1600-series have been discontinued? Wouldn't these materials combined carry with them an insane amount of compounding chemistry?!?
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