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Unread 12-03-2008, 10:22 PM   #1
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paper-faced glass

Well, I'm a little hesitant 'bout posting this, but, i'll do it anyway.

I just finished up a decent sized 1 x 1 paperfaced glass shower. Prior to starting, I refreshed myself with Lunada Bays instrutions as well as Oceanside's.

While I was talking to a fellow installer, he mentioned this method for setting paper faced glass:

1. Follow instructions for thinset application. trowel on the flatten out. no news there.

2. lay your glass sheet paper side down on a flat surface and GROUT it in with white grout.

3. Stick it on the wall and follow the rest of the instructions that oceanside gives for tapping with a block of wood and removing the paper.

4. clean it up right.

I tried the install using the exact Oceanside method, and some of the grout it in first method. I'm a big fan of grouting it in first, here's why.

If you mix the grout pretty stiff, it keeps everything from sagging. Once the paper is removed, zero tiles come off with the paper, I'm never that lucky using the other way. The wall is already grouted, nuff said.

I imagine that there will be quite a few that disagree, but I thought this may help somebody out.

During this install, I had to remove a few peices that I overlooked the previous day, and the bond was darn good.

I used Tec superflex and Tec sanded grout. Don't think this method would work using colored grout though.

what do you guys think?
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Unread 12-04-2008, 12:00 AM   #2
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It does work with colored grout too. I have used this method with both glass and small stone mosaic. I use acrylic admix in my grout for extra strength. I use a piece of 18" stone to lay the sheet on so its flat when I spread the grout. I use a 1/8" v-notch to spread the thinset. Their are some pic. in the crazy tile design page (I think page 1 or 2) of a mosaic I did using this method.
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Unread 12-04-2008, 08:34 AM   #3
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Hi Joe, Josh,

I've never tried the grout first method. I will next time, though. Sounds good.
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Unread 12-04-2008, 12:07 PM   #4
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can someone explain this to me? you take ocean side and grout the back of the tile set it? then spray it with water to remove the paper and your good?
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Unread 12-04-2008, 12:38 PM   #5
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Doesn't sound right to me either.

Couldn't the uncured thinset, and water to remove the paper, cause mottling of the grout?
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I have also heard of this method and plan to try it in the future as needed, as I see no reason it would not work. I am very intrested in hearing more input on this thread.
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Unread 12-04-2008, 04:34 PM   #7
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I have tried it this way. It worked really well for keeping them in place. I did, however, have color issues in the grout. As stated above, I would guess it was due to the uncured thin set. I had heard of this method and decided to try it on a small and narrow feature stripe in a shower. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again with white grout.
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Unread 12-04-2008, 07:40 PM   #8
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I revisited the project today and I didn't see any grout problems. I used white grout and obviously white thinset. When I removed the paper and cleaned the grout, I just smoothed it out and let it go until the next day. I left alot of haze on the tiles.

I will do this again in the future, maybe with a little additive in the grout to try that out too.

Another nice thing is that when you set the next course up, you can apply the grout in between the course you just set and the next course. the grout keeps everything lined up nice.

This paper faced stuff requires so much extra time and patience from us. Anything that makes it a little easier for me I'm willing to try. Hopefully it may help out someone else.
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Hi Guys

Joe & Josh are absolutely correct that this an appoved practice as dictated by ANSI A108.14/Alternate Method. I have seen live seminar demonstrations sponsored by Oceanside Glass using this and other methods.

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what do you guys do if the glass feature strip is much thiner than the field stone?
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Unread 12-04-2008, 08:10 PM   #11
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what do you guys do if the glass feature strip is much thiner than the field stone?
Sometimes I will bond it to 1/4" Hardibacker , really depends on how much
difference there is. With stone it is usually a bit more than tile. I've combed
thinset and let it dry, then filled in the valleys between the ridges...different
trowels will give you a different build up.

I haven't tried the grout first method but have known about it for quite a while.
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Unread 12-04-2008, 08:18 PM   #12
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I cut 4" stips of ditra and put it behind mesh mount to bring it out today. worked great. .
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Unread 12-04-2008, 09:44 PM   #13
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Hi Joe, I heard of that method, but havent tried it yet. When I do small mosaics, espescially glass, I use white thinset, but I mix a little bit of the grout in the thinset.
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I'll have to give this a try.

As for floating it out... I use easymat. Comes in 3mm and 5mm (1/8 3/16) I keep some in my van at all times.
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Unread 12-06-2008, 06:33 PM   #15
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I've backbuttered 1000's of feet of glass mosaics. It is the ONLY way to go. I could go on and on about the advantages. I think I'll make a video one day and put it on the site.
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