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Unread 12-08-2013, 03:39 PM   #1
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Incorrectly installed paper faced mosaic

I'm new to this forum and to DYI tiling, but was hoping to get so advice as I think I may need to redo an incorrectly install tile job.

I had someone install a paper faced tile and when I examined what he had done I realized that he installed it with the paper facing the wall and not out towards the installer.

He says this is how he's always done, but I told him that it didn't make sense and that he was wrong.

So now the tile is on the wall(doesn't look bad), but I'm worried about the tile coming off the wall a few months down the road, as I'm assuming the paper will act as a bond breaker.

Should I just take the tile down and start over? I'm assuming that I would have do to this one tile at a time because the paper would be destroyed once I took down the tile.
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Unread 12-08-2013, 03:45 PM   #2
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Nick,

Welcome to the forum.

Got pics? Some close up and some further away.


Who made this tile? Did it come with instructions?
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Unread 12-08-2013, 03:49 PM   #3
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Welcome, Nick.

No, you should not take it down. If, in fact, you have paper faced mosaic tile that was installed with the paper on the back, the guy you paid to install it should take it down, buy you some new tile, and install it correctly.

There are tiles that are mounted on a paper mesh backing that would be installed as you describe, but it would be obvious to you, and to your installer, that it was not a continuous sheet of paper.

Your tiles may be coming off the wall already as the thinset mortar begins wetting the paper backing. Wetting is how the paper is removed when the tile is properly installed.

Have you paid for this installation?

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Unread 12-08-2013, 04:10 PM   #4
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Here are some pics. of the job. The tile is by Fired Earth Glass works. There were directions on the packaging, but they didn't speak to the orientation of the tile or the paper backing.

Unfortunately, I did pay the guy. So I guess I got what I paid for. It's part of the reason I'm wanting to do it myself and cut my loses .
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from page 9 of the instructions;

The tiles can now be pressed firmly into the adhesive. Paper and cellophane faced mosaics should be tiled with this side facing outwards.

from page 10;

With paper faced mosaics the adhesive should be allowed to partially set but before they
have become fully bonded, the paper must be removed. Setting time will vary according to
wetness of the mix, ambient temperature, type of substrate etc. The average is 30 to 60
minutes.

The paper is secured with water soluble glue and can be removed by wetting. Moisten the
paper with a damp sponge, do not use a spray bottle as the water does not penetrate as
thoroughly making the paper removal more difficult. Dampen a few times prior to peeling it
off. If removal is difficult, dampen further and leave for another 5 to 10 minutes before trying
again.
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Sorry to side track .. Did he put electrical box extensions on your existing electrical boxes? I see that one receptacle looks to be a bit "sunk in." Having the box come to near the face of the wall is a code requirement. Also, that receptacle should be GFCI protected per code. Perhaps there is on upstream in the circuit?

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Jason is spot on with the electrical.

As for the tile: I think that you should leave it be. Yes, it is screwed up and the installer should replace it for you, but sounds like that ship has sailed. Any failure of the install will be gradual and you can always re-do it later. The way it is now, the grout has locked everything together and the caulking along the perimeter will hold it in place. You will not be able to salvage that tile if you take it down.
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How nice ... no thinset squeezing out through the grout joints. Bet it saved a lot of time in cleaning prior to putting in grout.
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Ive not set paper faced before. Are paper faced usually (or sometimes) finished on both sides?
I ask because that does look like a finished face on those tiles.
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Maybe after the thinset cured and dried the glue on the paper rebonded itself. Thinset might be over kill for gluing paper to drywall, but it just might work out for you.
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Ive not set paper faced before. Are paper faced usually (or sometimes) finished on both sides?
I ask because that does look like a finished face on those tiles.
Hi John

I think this is what they are supposed to look like:

Oasis Glass Mosaic

The fronts are slightly pillowed and could have an iridescence to them.

Not very helpful, but sorry for your troubles, Nick
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I sure wouldn't mess with that tile unless you have a problem or you don't like the look....

it looks the same as the picture GraniteGirl posted to me.....


The face paper glue is probably plenty strong for a back splash IMO, so long as it stays dry.
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I just got a request from a good long-time client to do a splash with Fired Earth glass.

I know better than to install with the paper to the mortar, but I did think "how the heck am I supposed to install this stuff?".

My clients got no instructions other than the ones on the box, which aren't as detailed as the ones Paul posted. I'm a little apprehensive of "With paper faced mosaics the adhesive should be allowed to partially set but before they have become fully bonded, the paper must be removed." I assume this is to allow adjustments.

Also, The Tile Shop always seems to sell sanded grout "for 1/8" and larger joint size" and admix even for these glass tiles, some of which will have no grout joint at all if I install as they're on the paper.

Should be an interesting install.
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