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Unread 03-02-2004, 05:17 PM   #1
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tile questions--bathroom renovation

I am at the beginning of looking for bathroom stuff, but since my husband gutted our bathroom over the weekend, I need to figure out what I want fast. I am thinking about 12" tiles for the bathroom floor. Can I also use that size for the walls around the tub? And should I go for ceramic or porcelain tiles on floor and on wall?

Another question--I'm trying to figure out the order of when things go in. I ordered a vanity cabinet but it won't come in for 3-4 weeks. Can we go ahead and tile the floor and add the cabinet on top when it arrives? Do we tile around a new toilet?

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Unread 03-02-2004, 05:38 PM   #2
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Hi Chris and welcome ,

Let's see well...

Demolition before you figure out what you want means that you will look at the raw space for longer than you need to. Of course using a sledge hammer is mighty tempting.

1) If you notice and framing that is rotted, blackened or mishapened, now is the time to address it.

Stop and have a beer.

2) Decide what rough plumbing and electrical changes you want to make, do that now.

Stop and have a beer.

3) Since you want ceramic tile, make sure your sub floor can accept the material.

Stop and have a beer.

4) Do any drywall and cement board on the walls.

Stop and have a beer.

5) Select your ceramic or porcelain. My .02 says that you can use 12x12 in both areas and it does not matter which type it is.

Stop and have a beer.

6) Prepare your floor for ceramic.

Stop and have a beer. and another etc etc.
7) Tile your walls and grout, now tile your floors.

See under #6
Take pichers and send them to us.

Yes you can install the tile on the floor and then the cabinet.

Yes you remove the toilet and stick a rag in the hole trust me on this one! then tile around the hole. The toilet can sit in the tub on top of a piece of a box.

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Unread 03-02-2004, 05:43 PM   #3
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Hi Chris, welcome. 12x12 tiles will work fine although I'd look for something that has a matching bullnose if possible. Either ceramic or porcelain will work, maybe a non-skid for the floor.

The cabinet can go in on top of the tile. Tile around the toilet drain flange instead of around the toilet. Set the toilet on top of the tile.
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Unread 03-02-2004, 06:07 PM   #4
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Hi Chris, Welcome!

Glad to see how quickly you took the advice to start a new thread. That's a good sign!

I always prefer to set the cabinets on top of a tile floor. Ditto for the toilet advice (don't forget to plug or cover that hole)!

While you're waiting for the cabinets to arrive:

Make all of your selections - lighting, venting, shower/tub valve, faucets, etc. If your valve is special order for example (shouldn't be in the real world, but if it was), you can't even start cement boarding the walls.

Steven's chronological order is an excellent guideline. Watch out for those beer breaks though, they've been known to have unexpected results!
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Unread 03-02-2004, 10:05 PM   #6
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Wow! Thanks for all the great advice. I've come to the right place.

Another question: how do I know if tile is of good quality? What do I look for? Am I likely to find good stuff at Home Depot or should I go to a special tile place?

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Unread 03-02-2004, 10:52 PM   #7
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Hi Chris

You're getting technical now.

I would prefer to go to a specialty tile store. Prices may be higher, but so could the quality. There are many manufacturing techniques on the marketplace today, and I try to stay educated by my local suppliers what's coming through at any given time.

What part of the country are you in?

Maybe others can steer you in the right direction, by your location. Just a thought. (Oops, there I go thinking again!)
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Unread 03-02-2004, 11:45 PM   #9
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Kelly,

Please, no apologies. Skin getting real thick here. My thought was actually acting like a disclaimer!
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I'm in Northern California. Marin County--any suggestions?

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Hi Chris,

Check out Bedrosians.

Home Depot sometimes has really good tiles at excellent prices. Problem is they also have really inferior tiles at low prices and nobody there knows the difference.
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Unread 03-03-2004, 08:12 PM   #12
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So what IS the difference? Is there something I can look for in a quality tile? Something I can ask?

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Unread 03-03-2004, 08:25 PM   #13
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Chris,

I am not a tile expert. Some things that can make a difference:

Bisque composition & density
Glazing process & hardness
Water absorption
Size calibration
Firing temperature

Various tiles do have ratings assigned to them. Finding them is another story. For example tiles can be used on walls only, or for floors; residential, light commercial, commercial, etc.

Hopefully this will answer some of your question. Others here are far more versed in this area of expertise.
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Unread 03-07-2004, 10:14 PM   #14
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OK, I'm making some progress--I've found a tile I like and the demolition is done.

Can someone tell me about radiant heat? Is it worthwhile? Are there different types and is one better than another? How expensive is it for a fairly small bathroom?
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