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Unread 03-06-2019, 08:38 PM   #1
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I am doing higher end project with 2 pockets door with quite heavy traffic. Is there any "better" pocket door hardware you have experience with? Michal

added.: I need to install fire rated door between garage and hallway to house, is there code requirement which way door must open?
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1. I favor Johnson hardware for pocket doors, Michal, but I really dislike pocket doors in high traffic areas.

2. I dunno.
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Unread 03-07-2019, 06:13 PM   #3
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Thank you CX, I am getting Johnson, I warned my clients..... have you ever installed soft closing one....?
http://www.johnsonhardware.com/1500s...oor-frame-kits

Is wall between garage and house considered firewall or fire resistance wall?
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Unread 03-07-2019, 06:56 PM   #4
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No, I've never installed one of those soft closing pocket units, Michal.

You need to ask your local code compliance people about the garage/house wall. I've never had to install any special fire barrier or fire partition walls between garage and house in residential construction, but that's in this country. Can't say about California.
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The soft closing ones are great ! esp for very heavy doors.
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good to know Paul, I will get it. Thank you.
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Is wall between garage and house considered firewall or fire resistance wall?
Neither. It is usually considered a part of a fire-rated assembly. Like CX said, check with your local code enforcement official for details because it varies depending on what your jurisdiction has adopted.

As far as a fire-rated door, they will all have a permanent tag mounted to the side of they door on the hinge side stating their rating. You will be purchasing a pre-hung, not just a slab. Check with same code official for minimum fire rating requirement. They will probably specify it in minutes.

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Solid wood door 1 3/8" is ok, at least around here.
I just don't understand why inspectors around here require 5/8" drywall on wall between, referring to fire wall something. I know there's 5/8" on ceiling if living space above...
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Because the garage is the most likely place for a fire to start in a residential setting. The extra 1/8” of thickness of drywall provides more time to resist a fire from penetrating into the living space. And the extra time equates to more people escaping a burning building

I’m sure that a door as described is used as a fire-door. But if it’s not fitted to a tested level, it doesn’t meet the minimal requirement for a door that’s part of a fire-rated assembly. For that reason, it’s going to be a pre-hung unit rather than just a slab replacement. If a door does not have a permanent label attached to it with a fire rating meeting the minimal standard on it, it would fail an inspection around these parts.
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And keep in mind that not all 5/8ths" drywall is "fire code" drywall. Gotta say it's Type X to be considered useful in that application.

I've always used regular 5/8ths" drywall on all ceilings, Michal, regardless the location or joist spacing. Just because it stays flatter even with insulation on it.
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R302.5.1 Opening Protection: No doors allowed from a garage to a bedroom. Doors between a house and a garage can be one of three typesk:

Solid wood, at least 1-3/8″ thick
Solid or honeycomb-core steel, at least 1-3/8″ thick
20-minute fire-rated

I have no intention to argue, just want to know what's correct.
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As suggested be sure to check with local inspector if what you want to do will pass. Different areas, different codes it seems.

Personally I find this a interesting question because it would never occur to me that a pocket door could be considered as a fire rated door of any rating.

But they do make sliding fire rated doors and assemblies so it seems to be possible. Not sure not the cost.
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I will pass, I ordered full door pre hung, I've never had problem with the door. What puzzles me is the 5/8" drywall required, we usually install 5/8" everywhere so doing 1/2" in garage would be hassle. I just'd like to know...
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So why not install 5/8 everywhere ?
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One reason would be that door jambs are milled for 1/2 in. sheetrock over 2x4 stud walls.
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