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Unread 05-27-2003, 12:19 PM   #1
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Cieling tile methods

Hey gang, I have some questions on the best sequence of tasks. I have a 48x32 shower stall with small curb on the shower door side. I'm doing 4x4 tumbled marble (travertine).

One book I read said do the ceiling first (assuming the sub-pan and pan has been built and ready for tile) on something like plywood backed hardibacker (laying on the floor to not have to fight gravity) then once it is set to screw it into place. Then work down from the ceiling until you reach the pan area, laying the top half of the tiles all around, let it set 12 hours, then the bottom half. Finally lay the tile in the pan area.

Reading the forum here it sounds like some of you do the ceiling last and don't use the set it on the floor technique. Will the marble tiles be able to stick up in the ceiling without falling? Any tips ?

Also, I read somewhere that tumble marble needs to be sealed BEFORE thinsetting and grouting because it will stain given that it is natural stone with no sealant. I was thinking of just giving each a tile a "bath" in the tilelab sealant the day before starting to lay them out. Will this work?

Any other point tips or SNAFU alerts would be helpful. This is my first time.

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Unread 05-27-2003, 01:15 PM   #2
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Best advice i can give you
#1-do not seal first.
#2 lay cieling tile first on a 45 degree angle
#3 use a very sticky thinset these are just 4x4's so you shouldnt have a problem.Now 12x12 granite,we do a bit differantly
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Unread 05-27-2003, 03:15 PM   #3
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Ditto

Ditto on laying the ceiling at 45 degrees. Any problem layout can be cured with a 45 degree tilt. It completely fools the eyes.
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Unread 05-27-2003, 04:45 PM   #4
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ya i agree too, very rarely ever seen one NOT done on the angle, i was trying to attach a photo .... but it's too big, and having trubl resizing it
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Unread 05-27-2003, 04:56 PM   #5
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Ditto on the previous advice...

The ceiling tile install isn't that bad BUT Have Fun Grouting the Ceiling !!!!

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Unread 05-27-2003, 05:03 PM   #6
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Here's the photo I was looking for...

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Hi Gregory, Welcome.

The diagonal ceiling is certainly an option, and I do it all the time, but it is not hard to line the ceiling with the walls if you spend some time on layout.

Go ahead and tile the walls, except for the top tile cut. Make sure you use the same cuts and layout on opposing walls. When you get all the walls up to within one tile or a cut from the ceiling, do the ceiling. Then finish the walls by inserting the top cuts.
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ok this is my first photo post so hope this works right, and this is not natural stone tile either, it's florida 4 x 4 ...
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well .... its kinda small .... help !
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Brian, that pic is only 3 kbytes, you can post one up to 50 kbytes. Shoot for something 400-500 pixels wide.
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Wow, thanks for the feedback. I planned to go with the diagonal tile in on the floor and ceiling anyway, sounds like it will help to cover first timer mistakes.

So is the consensus that you don't really need to seal tumbled marble/natural stone before grouting? And some books say use unsanded grout, what's that? Any brands someone could recommend?

Also, any preference of hardibacker 500 over Wonderboard? Somehow, Hardibacker seems easier to work with, less fragmenting and not as heavy. And I know you old-timers will tell me the best is mortar walls but I haven't got the patience .

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Unread 05-28-2003, 12:11 PM   #12
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Stoneman,
If you're going with the 45, you can do it in any order you want because you wont have to line up the wall and ceiling. Like John said, if you take your time you can lay it straight, just follow his instructions.
Sealing tumbled travertine depends on how porous the stone is, and or if you want to grout the holes in it. I usually seal all porous stones tumbled or not.
Sanded grout is used for grout joints 1/8" or larger. Unsanded grout is used for 1/8" or smaller. 1/8" being the iffy. I usually use sanded on 1/8" or larger on tumbled stones.
Hardibacker 500 is fine, I prefer Cement Backer Board myself. Opinions vary.
As to Mud walls, patience pays off.
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Gregory,

Due to the "roll" on the edges of the tumbled stone tiles, your joints will always come out over an eighth of an inch no matter what you do, so figure sanded grout. Sanded grout is cement grout to which silica particles have been added. Gives the grout strength.

The diagonal ceiling is fine. I would do it first and cut the walls to it. That way the wall-to-ceiling joint will be more or less hidden from view. Looking up, you'll see the diagonal tiles with no joint around the perimeter.
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tyvm dave m
i got the irfanview and resized and here 'tis .....
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This is what it'll look like if you set it diagonally ('ceptin this is a porcelain look-alike)
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