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Unread 04-23-2011, 04:34 PM   #1
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Travertine: is it a crack or a vein?

I just had Tuscany Walnut Tumbled Travertine installed in my kitchen area. There are several tiles with what appear to be dark hairline cracks going across each tile. My installer said that they are the veins in the travertine stone.

I've attached a photo of one of the tiles. The others have similar looking lines. Is the travertine cracked or is the installer correct in telling me that it is a vein in travertine.

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Unread 04-23-2011, 04:41 PM   #2
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How about a wider picture of the whole area.
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Unread 04-23-2011, 06:22 PM   #3
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Picture of wider area: travertine cracked or a vein?

Hi Toddman,

Thank you so much for responding to my post. I have attached a photo of a wider area as you requested. The lighting is bad, but I think you can get the idea.

What do you think?

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Unread 04-23-2011, 07:20 PM   #4
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Travertine does not really have veins. It has "layers" due to the way it is formed. That does not look like a natural feature of the stone, but the pictures are not really all that clear.

Do the lines form any kind of pattern?
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Unread 04-23-2011, 07:55 PM   #5
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Crack or Vein: Travertine, more photos

Hi GraniteGirl,

Thank you for responding. I appreciate all the help that I can get.

The lines do not form a pattern. They look like cracks to me and to other layman. The only person who says it's a "vein" is the tile installer. I had 800 sq. ft. installed and have 3 tiles with similar appearance of a crack, but they do not form a pattern. I'm thinking that if travertine does not have veins then they must be cracks.

What are your thoughts after seeing the additional photos.

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Unread 04-23-2011, 08:18 PM   #6
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Can't really tell from the most of the pictures but that last one looks easy - that is a crack.

After looking again - I'd say they are all cracks but like has been said the pictures make it difficult.
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Unread 04-23-2011, 08:27 PM   #7
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Travertine: crack or vein?

Hi johntrent,

Thank you for responding. If one is a crack, then they are all cracks because they all look similar in color, depth, and the fact that they go from one edge of the tile to another edge.

I appreciate your help. If anyone can say anything definitive or can perhaps post a picture of what a "vein" might look like if there is such a thing in travertine and also of a crack after being grouted and sealed.

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Unread 04-23-2011, 09:11 PM   #8
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I agree some are cracks.Two reasons.They are in the larger pieces of the pattern,which usually crack in shipping.They are dark with dirt and or moisture.And as Granite Girl said trav. doesn't have normal fissures like other stone.If you look at it from the side of the stone you can see the layers,and dark fissures.
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Unread 04-23-2011, 11:20 PM   #9
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Travertine: Crack or Vein?

Hi Davestone,

Thank you for your response. I always thought they were cracks but the installer insisted they were veins. I hope my installer will not give me a hard time about switching them out. I just had new flooring installed my entire home; carpet, oil finished maple with cherry stain, Dolce Vita Teakwood (bronze for floor and ivory for shower), travertine flooring, and travertine guest bath. Everything has gone smoothly except the tile (both ceramic and travertine). I realize tiling is a precise and time consuming job, but I just don't understand why I've had so much trouble with it. I'm beginning to think the installer is not the best, or at least, he and I do not communicate well.

You live and you learn.

Anyway thank you for your help. It's amazing to be able to come to this forum and actually get a response, and good ones at that!

Have a great weekend, or, have a great Sunday should I say.

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Unread 04-24-2011, 08:58 AM   #10
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I hope my installer will not give me a hard time about switching them out.
he is already, he's telling you they were veins.
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the installer insisted they were veins.
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He shouldn't mind replacing 3 pieces if you have paid him to install 800 sq ft. It probably is cracked but wasn't as noticeable when he installed them.
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Average charge for replacing individual tiles?

HI,

I know that rates vary by geographical location and the specs of the job, but I was hoping to get an idea of a ballpark charge for replacing 3 to 8 travertine tiles on a newly installed, grouted, and sealed floor. I've attached a few photos of the general area and the condition of surrounding area. I live in Central Florida so anyone that may have done work in that area, I'd appreciate your input.

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Unread 04-25-2011, 08:55 AM   #13
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A busy tile guy can't fit it in his schedule. Even if available a guy would have to figure how much of a day he loses to other work. If you can't effectively get to your place and do a part day at another job, then I'd charge a days pay. Most guys charge $400 - $650 per day, so a little job like that costs a bit.
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Unread 04-25-2011, 09:03 AM   #14
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Average charge for replacing individual tiles?

Hi topspin,

Thank you for responding. That is expensive for a small job. If wanted to try to do it myself would I need special tools? I'd be working on tumbled walnut travertine.

Is it a delicate and difficult job or is it just time consuming and a general pain to do.

Thank you again for your help,
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Unread 04-25-2011, 09:50 AM   #15
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It depends on how it was installed. Is there a tiling substrate, or is the tile installed directly to what I'm assuming is a slab (since you're in Florida). Can you tell us what setting materials were used?

And can we ask why you need to replace these tiles? If something like a crack in the slab is transmitting through to crack the tiles, a simple replacement won't correct the problem. Please tell us more.

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