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Unread 01-15-2007, 09:04 PM   #1
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Snowwolf's small master bath remodel

Hello all, I have been watching these forums for a while to get as much info as possible before I started my bath remodel. I find this is a great forum and have read much of Johns book so far.

So on to my first question. yesterday I gutted most of the bathroom to find out what exactly I am working with. The house is from 1948 and the joists are 2x10 of unknown wood, on top of the 2x10's nailed in diaganel rows are 3/4 x 5" TNG wood. Now we get too the question and it is on top of the TNG in most of the bathroom there is a mud deck of approximatly 1" thickness that ends 1/2" from the walls as well as it does not go into the closet or under the vanity. Am I better off doing my shower framing and using 3/4" Studi ply in the shower only and patching in new mud in the areas that need it. Or should I pull up all the Mud, Lay down 3/4 Studi-ply on top of the TNG and then do all of my shower framing on top of the new floor? The all new method will bring me down closer in height to the hardwood flooring in my Bedroom as well.

Oh and I am planing on using Kerdi in the shower and ditra on the Floor on top of whatever floor I use.
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Unread 01-15-2007, 11:01 PM   #2
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Hi Jonathan, welcome! If you are going to put a new vanity in I would get rid off the mud and go with the ply and Ditra.
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Unread 01-16-2007, 08:18 AM   #3
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Thanks Mike thats what I am leaning towards I just was undecided due to the pro's and con's of each since the mud that is there appears to be in good condition. But ply would make the whole job just a little easier for me (in Theory )
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Unread 01-16-2007, 09:00 AM   #4
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Hi Jonathan,

If the new vanity will cover the hole pretty much you can just patch the hole in with new mud. If that's not the case, though, it sounds like a complete tear out might be the way to go -- if the room is not large.
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Unread 01-16-2007, 05:15 PM   #5
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Ok now that I have got home from work and had a chance to clean up the debri from yesterdays demo, I have realized that I have a bigger issue that had just been covered up by the Mud bed. It seems that the floor in the bathroom had sagged over the years almost a 1/2inch in the area by the toilet and the mud in this area is almost 1 and 3/4 thick were elsewhere it is only 1" thick. Down in the basement the problem appears to be insuffient support by the floor joist right at the toilet. attached is a pic of how the 2x8(I know I said 2x10 before) was cut in half to run the drain for the toilet then it was supported by 2 2x4's that were only 2ft long sistered on each side of the 2x8.
I have checked the level and height of the surrounding joists as well as the hallway that neighbor's the bathroom on one side and my son's room which neighbor's the bathroom one the other side. These areas are all true and level pinpointing the whole situation to this one joist only. SO I believe if I pull up the Mud floor then go into the basement with 2 liftjacks one on each side of the joist i should be able to raise this joist with very little disturbance to the surrounding area. Then follow that with a full lenght 2x8 joist sistered on each side I should be back in bussiness with a much more stable and level floor before I go any further into this project.
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Unread 01-19-2007, 11:45 AM   #6
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Now for my next question, I have removed the mud deck and will sister the single sagging 2x8 under the toilet with a full length 2x8 as well. Now when I removed the mud deck some of the diaganel 3/4x5 TNG boards are in really bad shape will just screwing the new 3/4 Sturd-I-ply on top of these be sufficent enough or should I cut out the bad section down the middle of the room (which by the way is 6ft by 8ft with the 8ft running parallel to the joists) and lay down a 2 layers 3/4 layer of Sturdi over the whole floor?

Am I just going for overthinking this or not? The tile floor that I took out had nothing wrong with it. It was just ugly from the 70's and needed to be updated.

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Unread 01-24-2007, 08:20 PM   #7
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Here are so pic's of my current progress. I had my neighbor who has been doing carpenty and construction for years take a look at my floor and he had me run a few full lenght joist's under the room and nail them to the existing joist's as well as cut out a portion of the original subfloor that was in poor condition.
Now I just have to screw down one more layer of 3/4 sturd-i-ply tommorrow afternoon.

I also received my kerdi shower kit on Monday
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Unread 01-29-2007, 03:08 PM   #8
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How are people securing their kneewalls to make sure that they are fully secure?
Screw and glue to subfloor, Lag down to the joist, make a cutout in the floor and run a 2X4 through the floor and anchor to the joist.
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Unread 01-29-2007, 10:56 PM   #9
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Hey Jonathan,
great thread here that should help you.
http://johnbridge.com/vbulletin/show...frame+kneewall
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Unread 01-30-2007, 08:10 AM   #10
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Big AL, thanks that was exactly what I needed, A pic is worth a thousand words to me. I had though about doing it that way but was unsure if it was the Norm or me overbuilding.
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Unread 01-30-2007, 08:31 AM   #11
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Welcome, Jonathan.

It's pretty difficult to overbuild when it comes to framing for tile installations. Anything that makes it more rigid is generally a good eye-dee.

My opinion; worth price charged.

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Unread 02-04-2007, 04:14 PM   #12
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Do you guys prefer the Better Benches over building a wooden corner bench in a Kerdi Shower?

OH and after seeing Nastyburns question I wanted to specify that either the wood or better bench would have a Slab of 1-1/4 Granite as a seat.(this matches the Vanity, the curb, and the Kneewall.)
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Unread 02-13-2008, 06:09 PM   #13
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Ok it's been a while since I started this an put it on hold. I have finally done all of the repairs, rebuilt the whole room, done all of my plumbing and electrical, and leak tested everything.

No onto the question at hand. I have sheetrocked the entire room in prep for the Kerdi this weekend. How do you guy's tranistion on an outside corner from the bullnose edging on the shower to Painted sheetrock on the outside corner. Do you use standard corner bead to cover the edge and then Spackle the sheetrock side then just kerdi the inside or do you just wrap tape around the the corner so you do not run into a buildup issue.

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Unread 02-13-2008, 06:36 PM   #14
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J-Bead is what I like to use.
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Unread 02-13-2008, 08:17 PM   #15
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Ok the would work thanks Mike.

Now for the dumb question's would HD carry J-bead and would it be with the tile dept or the sheetrock area. Do I kerdi right up to it or go slightly over it with the kerdi? I would guess right up to it so that the buildup behind the J-bead and the kerdi would even out behind the tile.
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