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Unread 05-25-2007, 05:46 PM   #1
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Knock, knock... Who's there? -A hollow tile!

Good evening moderators and senior members. My name is Chris and I eat sleep n' breath tile. -just kidding. No seriously, I live in Tampa Bay, FL--a well--not so good place to have tiling done. Kinda' ironic when you consider that its become the standard more or less, in FL. Anyhow, my g/f whom I met about 11 months ago, had the first floor of her place tiled before we met! She (with the help of others) elected to install 16X's throughout. They are a nice color, only the DPI image printed on them is very noticeable, but then again I do have this small obsessive compulsive thingy. Where was I?, oh right 16X16. So yeah they all have identical images or, for those of you who woke up at 4am this morning only to realize you forgot to set the "automatic brew" feature on your mud last night, -unaturally, artificially, mass replicated clones. And if that wasn't enough, and to ad another hot poker onto an already swollen knife wound. The tile guys laid them all with thier image facing in the same direction. Its like looking at your old Windows 95 screen when we first learned how to paste our favorite picture as a background, only to find out we had to use 10,000 tiles to fill the screen! LOL OK, OK, so I'm whining about nothin' right? I know, though I did not come unprepared... The real deal goes like this.... Tile was laid about 15 months ago. The grout throughout the house is stained, originally dark reddish-brown, to a now just dark brown. I know this because the upstairs baths were accentuated with the same hue and they still obtain their luster. The floors get mopped maybe twice a month, A barely wet mop without chemicals. Just hot water and mild soap. After a few months of this I asked if the tile grout had been sealed? My girl said the "tile guys" informed her that the sealant was already in the grout when they applied it!!! Wow must be a FL thing huh? Too much sun or something. I followed up with, "Did anyone come back out the next day for any reason, or return at anytime after they laid the tile? And not to my surprise, she answered no. NO? "so you saw no one sprawling over all fours wiping a clear water-like substance on the tile when they were finished? And so on. It was at this point she began pointing out every tiny little imperfection she had noticed over the months. For instance, the 1/8" X 12ft crack in the grout that runs along the entire wall. Or the intersections here and there you might lose a toe over while casually strolling by. Or how about the areas where grout appears to be missing entirely (specifically infront of the stairs), where I later realized that a regular schedualed mopping was removing grout at an unnoticiable rate. Of course now it is! And for the grand finally! the dozen or so, hollow glass resonating spots throughout the house. No doubt, where the mortor ran low in someones' bucket. Or perhaps the house ran out of water, lime evaporated, or sand reached permifrost! Who knows?, but I am am certain of one thing. On a solid concrete slab, there is no reason there should be hollow spots, some encompassing 2 or 3 adjacent tiles to a spot. If the slab had cracked, would the grout crack as well? and what about upstairs, there seems to be no problems with hollow spots or cracks. None of the tile will bead water when appled. I've decided to try and remove some of the upper most layer and perhaps, reapply the original color. Once that's achieved I will be sure to apply sealant. My girl tried to complain to the company regarding their worksmanship. They sent someone out sometime ago and the man had no explaination for the hollow spots, and tried to blame the dog for the grout coming out. I could understand how that could happen, especially if the tiler mud over his taco bell sandwich wrapper after lunch. Unfortunately, the grout has come out in places where a mop has never touched, like under the furniture for instance.
Thank you all so much for your time and consideration. I am just glad that their is a place like this where I can get my frustration out and perhaps, even score some helpful advice. You all take care and God bless. Until next time, sincerely, Chris in FL.
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Unread 05-25-2007, 06:33 PM   #2
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Hi Chris, welcome. Yes, the tiles and grout can and will crack if the concrete cracks. Sometimes the crack will follow the grout joint leaving the tiles well bonded along side it. Normally the hollow tiles aren't cracked because the movement caused the tiles to break bond instead of cracking them. The tiles with cracks are usually well bonded but not always.

Slab cracks are common but we have membranes that can be applied to keep the movement from cracking the tiles in most cases. Doesn't sound like they applied a membrane. Do you have any extra tiles?
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Unread 05-25-2007, 08:39 PM   #3
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I would think the water with soap in its not real good for the grout. Might be why its discolored. Even IF they applied a sealer, 15 months is a long time for your G/F not to apply more coats. She still has to maintain it.
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Unread 05-26-2007, 06:50 AM   #4
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what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Unread 05-26-2007, 12:27 PM   #5
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And whom do you speak of Chris?
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Unread 05-26-2007, 02:29 PM   #6
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I think it's self-referential. Talkin' to himself, he is.

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Unread 05-26-2007, 06:08 PM   #7
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WOW true the post was a bit long but the Idiot part of the thread is the post # 4. Must be little nut syndrome.
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Unread 05-26-2007, 07:03 PM   #8
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"its become the standard more or less, in FL"

Do you know why it has become the standard?

Cheap tile + cheap labor = poor quality work
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Unread 05-26-2007, 08:34 PM   #9
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Unread 05-26-2007, 09:13 PM   #10
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I don't know, I thought that was the most entertaining first post I've ever read here. opcorn:
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Unread 05-26-2007, 09:31 PM   #11
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I agree Bri. Christopher, keep um comin'. Let us know what lies beneath-thinset or wrappers.
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Unread 05-26-2007, 11:07 PM   #12
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My first reaction would be to think the work was hacked in, but Chris does sound a little obsessive-compulsive. Maybe they're being a little nit-picky. Dave
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Unread 05-27-2007, 08:34 AM   #13
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hey it was just a little ribbing. his post could have been summed up in 2 or 3 sentences. i guess sarcasm is a bit harder to detect on the net.
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Unread 05-27-2007, 10:22 AM   #14
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Thats funny. My brother just bought a condo in San Diego and when he inquired about the grout being sealed, they said the same thing-it was mixed with the grout. I told my brother to drop a few drops of water on one of the grout lines and se what happens. Sucked the water right up. He called back to see what the deal was and the people that sold him the condo told him that they mixed 511 with the grout, but this was only a mild sealer and would have to be professionally done which, of course, they would do for $1200.00! 600 sq. ft. of porcelain tile! 1200.00! What a racket! Anyway, back to my original thought-is there something I'm missing here about the mix the sealer with the grout thing?
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Unread 05-27-2007, 10:44 AM   #15
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They were charging 1200 bucks to recoup some of their money that went into buying sealer. It would take several gallons of 511 to make up enough grout for 600 ft. That 511 ain't cheap.

Seems like I've heard this someplace before. Not sure where folks get these ideas.
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