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Unread 10-23-2021, 02:20 PM   #1
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Grouting floor to wall transition

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CX Says "Caulking is required at all changes of plane in the tile surface, as well as some other places. Not an opinion, that's the ANSI standard."

I purchased the ANSI 108/118/136 standard and can't find that information in the standard.

Can someone point me to the right place? I realize his comment was 12 years ago, maybe something changed...
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Unread 10-23-2021, 02:43 PM   #2
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Well I'd delete my question if I could...

ANSI A108.02
4.4 Movement Joints

Seems to cover it...
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Unread 10-23-2021, 02:51 PM   #3
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Well, Jason, hat's off to you for not blindly taking the word of some dude you've never met who spouts off on an Internet site.

Not sure what version of A108/118 you have, but in my 2019 version you'll find the answer you seek on page 14. ANSI A108.01, Section 3.7, "Requirements for movement joints: preparations by other trades." More specifically, 3.7.2 Exteriors and 3.7.3 Interiors.

And A108.02. Section 4.4 Movement Joints.

The industry relies for more detailed design of specific types of movement joints on EJ171 Movement Joint Guidelines For Ceramic, Glass, And Stone. Easiest place to find that document is near the back of a TCNA Handbook if you have access to one. If you don't have access, you might consider buying a copy of that from the same place you got your A108, A118, A136 book.

[Edit] Looks like I was a bit slow there.
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A108.04 4.4 Is on page 20 of the version I have (2019, Released October 2020)

A108.01 3.7 Is on page 10.

It would be nice if they spelled it out more simply.

I've been reading Instructions and Specifications sheets for grouts and can only find one manufacturer that says not to do it.

Custom Polyblend Sanded says:
Not for use in movement joints or changes of plane in the tile
installation. In these areas, use an appropriate caulk or sealant such
as Commercial 100% Silicone Caulk or Polyblend® Ceramic Tile
Caulk.
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Quote:
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I've been reading Instructions and Specifications sheets for grouts and can only find one manufacturer that says not to do it.
I'm going to take a guess that that's the case courtesy of the marketing departments of many manufacturers. They would rather not put in too many instructions on their product for fear that their stuff is: Too complicated, inferior, etc...compared to another brand who does have such a perceived restriction.

While many products are on the same level as each other, the average consumer may only spend a minute glossing over a label to compare and quickly come to a conclusion.
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Tonto, the correct word is restrictions not instructions, . Don't do it will lose a sale every time.
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Does anyone what the International Residential Code references for tile work?

Does it point to ANSI A108 A118 etc or just to the manufacturers instructions and specifications?
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It makes some dated references under R 700
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