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Unread 05-26-2013, 08:44 PM   #1
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I feel an obligation 2 help someone asking 4 advice with my knowledge. Even if its against the grain. Over the years I found many things the manufactures recommend are not the best. Especially 4a diy'er. If that was the case they could just read the instructions and not bother with a forum. And how informative would it be if everyone was a lemming n just recited the manufacturers directions. Anybody has the right 2 bash what I say but I also have the right 2 say it. I just think my advice would help someone that is not a pro n hopefully make sum (pros) think twice about their methods.
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Unread 05-26-2013, 08:58 PM   #2
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Thank you for your enthusiasm for wanting to help.

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. And you can discuss any method that may/may not conform to industry standards/manufacturer's instructions you like in the Pro's Hangout as often as you like in any manner you see fit (so long as you're civil to your fellow forum members).

But on this forum, specifically the Tile Forum/Advice Board where DIY'ers are learning in, you are not welcome to post advice that contradicts manufacturer's instructions. Both industry standards and manufacturer's instructions aren't based on a few hundred experiences of individual installers, they are base on literally tens of thousands of installs. So, we're very glad you've had good experiences going against the published standards, but we do not promote them in the Tile Forum/Advice Board.

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Unread 05-26-2013, 09:15 PM   #3
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Hi Ray, there is no going against the grain in the Advice Forum. Please refrain from giving advice that is not industry standards.
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Unread 05-26-2013, 09:24 PM   #4
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Is that a threat? I go against the grain all my life. If people never question the standard people never make progress. Going against the grain is how we got to this point.
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Unread 05-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #5
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Ray - No threat. There are rules on this forum. Please follow them. If you don't like the rules as stated by several of the moderators to you already then you are free to start a forum of your own and run it any way you like.

If you want to discuss this further then pm any of the moderators to have a private discussion. Any further disruption in the DIY area of this forum will not be tolerated.
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Unread 05-26-2013, 09:53 PM   #6
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So the rules are just agree with what a couple people say?
Or just recite sum handbook. Give me a brake, how many project come with a hand book? Is this about mastics and glass or stone mosaic.? Have u ever tried to remove any of the above from said mastic on drywall.? The weakest point will be the drywall mud doesn't mater if u use epoxy. I just wish some one would make their case rather than tell me to shut up. How is mortar better than mastic on taped drywall?
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Unread 05-26-2013, 09:57 PM   #7
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Ray -

Please read the rules - http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=14730

and this one - http://www.johnbridge.com/about/forum-rules/

The DIY forum is not the place to go against the grain. Send a private message to a moderator if you want to discuss this further. No more posts to this thread though about how you don't like the rules. Final warning. Thanks for your cooperation.
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Unread 05-27-2013, 08:22 AM   #8
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I've found that the weakest point is the bond between the outer paper face and inner paper right before it turns to gyp core.
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Unread 05-27-2013, 08:31 AM   #9
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You know, I have to intervene here. I originally installed my kitchen glass mosaic tile backsplash in 2008 using Omni-grip...which is going against the grain, here.
When the boyfriend and I ripped out the backsplash it was stuck like super glue. In fact...I had to replace all the sheetrock that came off with it and skim coat in many areas. In addition, the omnigrip adhesive was bright white.

I am doing another mosaic backsplash and will be using the Omni-grip again.
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Unread 05-27-2013, 08:33 AM   #10
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Also, I'd like to add....I am an electrician by trade for the past 18 years. The first thing they taught me back in my apprentice days was to throw away the instructions!!! lol
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Unread 05-27-2013, 08:55 AM   #11
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I moved all of this discussion to its own thread so as not to burden the original thread with unrelated discussion.

I'm glad that throwing out the instructions works so well for you. It doesn't change the fact that advice that is given in the shallow end (the Tile Forum/Advice Board) is expected to conform to industry standard methods and a reliance on following manufacturer's guidelines for installation and use of their product.

Knock yourselves out here about how great something works for you anecdotally but keep it out of the shallow end.

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Unread 05-27-2013, 09:16 AM   #12
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Melissa~In point-of-fact, mastic is certainly approved for backsplashes and Omni-Grip works quite well there. We have never indicated otherwise.

Although a backsplash may get a little wet from time to time, it is not considered a "wet" area...like a shower.

Mastic is an organic adhesive and will tend to re-emulsify in the regular presence of water. While it "has" been used on shower walls in the past, sometimes successfully, it isn't recommended. In years past, mastic was mineral-based and held up better to water exposure. This is no longer the case with current formulations.
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The mastics we have today are better than ever and will probably work well under some glass tiles. But, I've installed 1/2 inch thick transparent glass tiles that were 12x12's. I don't think I want mastic behind those, it may never dry out and no telling what color the mastic will turn. It's easier and the best advice to have them look at what the manufacturer recommends. You might get away with recommending mastic to someone that have small glass tiles but then next week another reader thinks mastic is fine for all glass tiles.
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Unread 05-27-2013, 09:33 AM   #15
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Hard to have full perspective when this was only part of another thread. That got moved. A lot of the conversation is not on this tread.
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