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Unread 02-11-2011, 09:14 PM   #16
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Hi Leah, what these guys said. Sounds like he is not experienced. 3x3 shower is like 4 to 5 days at most.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 09:50 PM   #17
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Dude is actually working for that? It costs me that much to put gas in my van! If it takes him under 20 days to get it done, you're still getting a hell of a deal.

I may be slow, my last bathroom took 12 days, but I did all plumbing, framing, backer boarding, waterproofing, and made all of the bullnose. Oh yeah, and electrical, and hung some rock. It cost them $4200, which was more than fair for them.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:04 PM   #18
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I'll go with what Shawn says.....$105 per day? Are you kidding? I would not let anyone touch any tilework if he thought $105 a day was fair.

Thanks very much for hiring an illegal. Where did you find this person? If he ever finishes and does it right it may last a while. We don't know. I have reservations on the waterproofing part at least. Can you describe or post any pictures of what he's doing and how?

Please reply, we might be able to save you from a future disaster?

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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:17 PM   #19
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Hi Leah,

Is this the same shower that was started in January on the other thread? Was it the same tile setter that did the pan?

And Gentlemen, please, let's be helpful and not criticize disrespectfully.
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I'd like to see some photos of the work in progress

Really, there are way too many things that can go wrong. You might want to quit while you're ahead. Some of us pay thousands for bad work and thousands more to repair the damage and rebuild.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 12:26 AM   #21
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Yep, I think assessing the construction methods that have been employed so far is the most prudent thing to do.

Leah, are you willing to have us ask you a bunch of questions for this? We're game if you are.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 02:18 AM   #22
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Here are pics of my tile install

Hello All,

Sorry that I took so long to get back. Here are pics of the tile work so far. They are Daltile ceramic 4x4. The mosaic stripe is 1" porcelain.


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Unread 02-12-2011, 02:25 AM   #23
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More pics from before tiling

Hello again,

Here are pics of some of the previous phases. The plumbing, the cement pan laid on 1/26/11, and the new framing for the pan.

I don't have pics of the tar paper, but that is underneath the hardibacker.

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Unread 02-12-2011, 03:31 AM   #24
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Correction on daily rate

Thanks for double checking the daily rate--sorry. He is charging $22.50 per hour which comes to $180.00 per day. Actually, my "installer" is our handyman who did a good job on other projects that he has done around the house. And no, he is not insured or bonded or licensed.

My handyman is on day 16 since the start of building the shower pan. That is $2,880 in labor-only, so far. It looks like he has many days left to go. At what point should I begin to negotiate the price of his labor?

How do the pics of his work look to you? Please ask any questions about what has been done so far. If he is doing a decent job I would like him to finish as long as I am not overpaying too, too much.

Marge--yes, this is the tile setter that did the CPE pan liner that got bunched up at the drain. That was fixed and it passed the 24 hour water test.

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Unread 02-12-2011, 06:16 AM   #25
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One thing I don't see, at least in some parts, is mesh tape on the seams. It looks like he might have put some thinset on a couple of them, but I see some with nothing on them. I guess it's possible he's doing them as he goes along, but I really doubt it. I also wonder about what type of waterproofing there is in the niche...I suspect there's none. And what about the step? It looks like the backer is possibly nailed/screwed in place there, another red flag.

At the stage he's at now, there's no more than a day and a half of work to finish, but at the rate he's going you're going to spend $3500-4000 for a three-walled shower. It seems pretty high to me, especially since he's well into the third week. I'm pretty slow, but a complete tear-out of a moldy shower, rebuild, and finish, including installing a shower door, takes me 7-10 days.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 07:36 AM   #26
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I also don't see poly behind the backer on the walls, or a membrane over the top of the board. Note the far right side of pic #2 for lack of poly.

If he gives you a squeegee at the end of the job, we'll know he's a hack for sure...

And $22.50 isn't hardly enough, unless it's January, you have nothing else going on, and you're milking it for all it's worth....which it sounds like he's doing.

The tile is centered though......so that's a good thing....

And are those drywall screws he used?
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Coping Skills covered the wages. And no license and insurance is pretty sad. There are legitimate contractors out of work because of guys like him. That's all I'll say on that.



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At what point should I begin to negotiate the price of his labor?
You shouldn't. You agreed to pay him by the day. If he had bid the job at a fixed price and realized it was taking longer than he estimated, would you pay him more?
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While he is slow, the work does appear to be very very neat, well thought out when it came to measuring, and it all looks nice and flat. My only concern is the curb. The pic doesn't show how he waterproofed the curb. If he followed along with the rest of his detail, you might be just fine.
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You have several options at this point...

1. Continue as is, open ended and pay him for all his time.

2. Stop all work now and ask for a fixed price to finish the job.

3. Stop all work now and finish it yourself.

If you are going to hire someone to do work in your house then you should hire licensed(if required) and insured legitimate folks.

If you are going to hire someone on a time & materials basis it should be with an estimated total cost so you can enter into the agreement with a good idea of what you will be paying.

I prefer to hire based on a fixed price for the job, as detailed in the contract. Deviations from the contract are handled by change orders.
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Firstly, let me apologize for hiring an unlicensed worker. Thank you ALL for making me aware about the differences between legal business and illegal business and informing me of my risk for no insurance. I will definitely go with legitimate businesses in the future for important projects like a shower installation. I do not want to undermine the economy so now I know one more way to help support it.

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