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Unread 02-10-2019, 09:42 AM   #16
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Unread 02-10-2019, 04:10 PM   #17
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@Tilemanct I can say Mahalo(thanks) enough my friend. Those words of wisdom are truly taken in to consideration. I also just talked to another tiler who takes on all the jobs and admits just do it he tells me. It’s better to have work then not to have work. He also says I been busy for the last 10yrs doing work for shady contour I need to feed my ohana(family) so it’s more of quantity not quality. He then says at first I didn’t wanna do it and look back at it and try to fix the lippage or chips but wasn’t make the deadline now I kinda came a custom to just laying it down. Some contractors tell you don’t back butter just put the mud down and go. He tells me that 75% is to make it quicker and to spot butter. But then again he mentioned that he didn’t like it at first but if that’s what pays the bills then he’s forced to do it. 😳🤔. Thanks again my friend for all the words of encouragement. 🤙🏽💯🙏 Aloha
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Unread 02-11-2019, 10:02 AM   #18
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When I was younger and full of myself I had the same thoughts about bad tile work, they can't do this to people. When I would point out the errors of some of my competitors ways to my GC's they would roll their eyes in the back of their heads. A few said I was too hard to work with and cut me off. We had to back off a little or there wouldn't be no money for rent and groceries. Never changed my thoughts on the subject and always looked for jobs where it mattered. As time progressed we had to do fewer and fewer jobs where we compromised our work and values. Towards the end of my contracting career about 75% of our work was just do it and maybe a little less was done on a budget number with no promise of a firm price. Several of the guys that cut me off years ago became my best accounts because they knew we did it right and on time. If a job came along where that had no value they would say this job is not for you Dave and I left it alone. In the end it all worked for me and I wouldn't do it any other way. Sometimes you have to chose between groceries and being a moralist.
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Unread 02-12-2019, 08:43 PM   #19
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Mahalo Dave 🤙🏽🙏. Yeah but as for now I’m just the worker who can see it from far but far from good. Yeah my wife also just stated that I need to calm down not everybody is tryna do it the right way but we must pay bills and until I get my contractors license that’s the only way I can go forward. Doing things the right way but of course making money at the same time. Thanks again Dave for your words of wisdom.🤙🏽💯
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Unread 02-13-2019, 07:43 AM   #20
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...and if there is anyone on this forum you should listen to, its Mr. Gobis.

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Unread 02-13-2019, 09:28 PM   #21
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I've seen some of that here too, though if you scan these pages a bit, you'll find it pretty much everywhere there's tile work being done.

To answer the question "what do i do?", well, that's up to you. You can walk, or you can tile. I've done both here. The ones I've prepped, I know will last a good long time. The ones prepped by others, who knows. I know for a fact that many don't prep properly. From not checking underlying structures, to not waterproofing properly or at all, to using inappropriate mortars, to you name it.

That said, there are good setters here. Keep lookin.

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Unread 02-13-2019, 11:02 PM   #22
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@DANA MAHALO🤙🏽 Just can’t believe they allow these guys to do high rises. Let alone get their license. Can’t wait to get mine. Until then I gotta be the solider and listen or I’ll have to march lol😂🤙🏽
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Unread 02-14-2019, 12:55 PM   #23
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is there no legal comeback for the dooers of dodgy work, i would have thought that America being the land of the lawsuit you would have to do it right or face the consequences
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You can always sue someone in court, at any time, for any reason. The thing is lawyers are not free. Filing a suit and then going to court would require up to tens of thousands in legal bills. You do not get to recoup the legal fees. EVEN IF you win, collecting the judgment is a whole different story. The court has almost nothing to do with it. The contractor can just tell you to pound sand, then it is up to you to put a lien on his business/assets or hire a debt collector that can purchase the judgment for a reduced cost, hire a collection agency that dings the business's credit, etc.......

You can do it yourself, but most people have no idea how to do this and are not willing to learn or do a poor job of filing and representing themselves.
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