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Old 05-01-2018, 10:12 AM   #2836
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Iíve had enough mixing my own mud...

Iíve found two bagged wall mud that are available in my area. Has anyone used either? Just looking for some feedback.
Iím going to order enough to do a friends tub surround, if I like the mix Iíll order a pallet.

Been doing a lot of foam board installs, but Iím sick of fixing framing. Want to go back to mud

https://www.quikrete.com/pdfs/data_s...%201139-86.pdf

https://www.basalite.ca/sites/defaul...cco-premix.pdf
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Old 05-01-2018, 06:09 PM   #2837
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John looks like both would work since they are base coats for stucco. I've had to make mud with mortar mix for the last couple years..... like for brick. I am beyond excited for a stucco base product in my area. Especially one that Davy says is the closest thing he's found to making your own with lime.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:29 PM   #2838
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Yeah, I like the Quikrete base coat, we've used many pallets of it. Let it slake about 10 minutes then remix it before hauling it into the house.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:11 PM   #2839
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THanks guys. Looks like Iím on the right track.


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Iíve been doing the same, quikrete ďmortar mixĒ plus a half shovel of lime per bag. Pain in the butt.
Wonít have the basecoat quick enough, so Iím gonna have to do at least one more that way late this or early next week.
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Old 05-02-2018, 07:12 AM   #2840
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That's even more than I did John, I used quikcrete type N for awhile straight outta the bag, then Lowes got a type S so I tried that for awhile, which I liked better. The stucco base coats have the right or closer grade of sand, and that makes a big difference. I've gotten so good with the mortar mixes I'll probably have to relearn or tweak my timing and techniques now. HAH
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Old 05-07-2018, 12:11 AM   #2841
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Did my first float in a long time on Friday.
Bagged ďmasonry mortar) with one scoop of lime added per bag.

I managed to get a full 1-1/4Ē to hang in one shot without slumping at all. I guess my mix is ok
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Old 05-07-2018, 12:13 AM   #2842
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Turned out pretty good. Still going to try the bagged scratch/Brown mix though. Just to see if a ďproperĒ mix feels different
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:36 AM   #2843
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Hey, if you can get 1 1/4 to stay on the wall then you must have it mixed about right. Nice mud work.
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:37 AM   #2844
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Not a single shrinkage crack either even at over an inch.
Maybe I should just stick with what works👌
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Yeah, John. Don't fix what isn't broken. Your mud looks great. Better than Davy's.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:59 PM   #2846
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Good Lord that's pretty mud.
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:25 PM   #2847
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Greetings fellow warriors, long time lurker infrequent poster. I do it the old fashioned way as well; 15 lb felt on the walls,then lath,then scratch; following day brown coat. As far as my mix I just buy the washed plaster sand,plastic cement & lime and mix accordingly. For normal pans that I set my self I just use the pvc liners with the preslope underneath, weepholes covered & protected on the subdrain. Have used the hydroban on a few installs; did a few kerdi installs all with fair results can't complain as long as it passes the flood tests. However I have a couple of projects now over a raised foundation which I want some of the masters to chime in on. 2 different showers that currently are curbed; the want to do them walk in style; I will have to drop the framing in the floor in each of the showers; but i do not wanna fuss with putting a pvc liner in this case; I am going to float the walls of both the showers; bathroom floors will be tiled as well-these will be prepped with 1/4" hardi; that leads me to my head scratching; I can float the shower floors but without the pvc liner in place I will have to do some form of waterproofing there to function as a pan whether it be kerdi or hydroban. So knowing that in the walls I run my felt from floor to ceiling and then do the prescribed floating method for the walls that i described & then doing the shower floor mudwork can i reasonably expect either kerdi or hydroban to function as a pan liner after the fact? preferably the kerdi as i can't be waiting for 72 hours for mud curage for the hydroban, would it be possible for me to do it this way? The other area of concern would be where the shower floor mudbed meets up with the hardibacker that I am going to install outside the showers in the bathroom floor area-how could this connection be waterproofed and bridged; with fabric Or? Sorry for the long winded scenario and didn't want to jump outside of the mud thread. Thanks Gentlemen
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Old 05-08-2018, 12:43 AM   #2848
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Although I have actually used Kerdi as a pan liner in a way (ran it up the studs behind the poly) itís not intended to work that way.
I mean it did work, itís still not leaking or having issues to this day. I wonít do it again though, not worth the risk.

These types of waterproofing are for the surface of the mud, the felt pretty much becomes nothing but a backer for the scratch.

Can you switch the hardi outside the floor for Ditra? Youíll make it easier on yourself, the Kerdi waterproofing can run out onto the Ditra which is also waterproof if you use the Kerdi band on the joints
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Old 05-08-2018, 05:33 AM   #2849
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Look into Noble Value Seal.

You can fold it like a vinyl liner behind the mud. Just a thought...
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Old 05-08-2018, 05:48 AM   #2850
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I would go ahead and mud the walls and floor and whatever membrane you decide to use on the shower floor, go ahead and take it up the walls as well.
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