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Unread 10-01-2013, 01:20 PM   #1
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Which method do you prefer?

After seeing a bunch of you "regulars" that are pros comment and follow my thread, I'm just curious which methods you would choose to build a shower. "conventional", kerdi, etc?

I had never even heard of kerdi and the others until I logged on to this forum. I thought the method I was using was basically the only way.

I don't intend to use another method anytime soon, just curious which you all prefer. The others seem to be preferred around here, although I've seen a couple negative posts about them lately.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 02:14 PM   #2
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I'll play . I'm sure this will get moved to the pro's hangout.

I prefer "conventional". That would be mud on lath, as was done for centuries and still is by some of us. Setting tile on a nice flat, level, plumb mud bed is the absolute Cadillac ride of our trade. Also the fastest way to get from point A to point B, and will withstand the test of time ( when done RIGHT, but that's true for ANY METHOD), which only time will tell with any of the new school methods. I have heard that there is tile work at the Roman Coliseum that looks like it was done a few years ago with grout work that few people could match today. And I was told that by a tile man ( I've never been there ).
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Unread 10-01-2013, 08:19 PM   #3
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Im with Marty, I like the flatness and longevity of mud work. I also agree that any of the installations methods will last if done correctly. That seems to be the biggest problem we see, installations done incorrectly.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 08:30 PM   #4
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Yeah but can you do a conventional mud shower for a curbless shower say on the 8th floor in a condominium with a linear drain?
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Unread 10-01-2013, 10:01 PM   #5
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There are different methods for different budgets, some people want a mercedes, others a ford. Most of the showers I do are: Den's Shield on the walls, with liquid applied waterproofing and glass fabric in all corners and at fasteners. kerdi in the shower pan and 2" up the walls. It's not the absolute best way a shower can be done, but it's economical and I have no worries putting a 30 year warranty on it.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 10:12 PM   #6
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Seems like this topic always gets presented like mud and "new fangled fancy pants" waterproofing and drains are mutually exclusive. Why not mud and a surface applied waterproofing and any type of curb you want, and any style of drain you like?
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Unread 10-02-2013, 12:40 AM   #7
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I agree with Brannigan. They can work together. Plenty of guys mud walls and apply Kerdi or Liquid Membranes on the surface.

Learn everything, then use what works best for your particular job/application and do it correctly.

Then don't assume that everybody that makes a educated decision to use a different approved method is a hack.

Not saying anybody on this thread is implying that but I see too often that once a person is comfortable with a particular method they assume anybody that chooses a different method is making a bad decision.
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Unread 10-02-2013, 11:35 AM   #8
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I'm down with everybody's preferred methods being just that: preferred. As long as none us decide to "read between the lines" or decide that something is implied that isn't written, should be no problems

We can all voice our "whys" without stepping into the territory of being directly on top of someone else's foot if we watch our words. There are more than 2 camps methinks....
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Yeah but can you do a conventional mud shower for a curbless shower say on the 8th floor in a condominium with a linear drain?
Absolutely Ben, if they will just issue that variance on the 2" from finished floor to drain top. I would probably preclude a PVC pan liner however. There are plenty of different ways to WP a shower pan besides the stuff we talk about here all the time. Some new technology being offered by waterproofing specialists. Did one in Los Altos Hills in a sub-grade concrete tank using a custom-made channel drain that had no flanges for a surface WP like Kerdi or paint-on, and was set-up to attach directly to a glue-to-threaded pipe fitting so no flange drain either. The guy that WPed it used some type of space age sealant and felt. The stuff stunk like no tomorrow, and that was still nauseating the next several days to boot. We hydrobaned our deck mud final slope and drilled a few holes into the SS channel right at the deck mud just in case. That's what the general contractor wanted to do, because I insisted that I wasn't doing a pan liner with no drain flange no way, so lose the custom-made channel. It's his house to warranty, and he's a big boy. He won't involve me in any possible future problems, and never goes back on a verbal. The kind of contractor we likes
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Unread 10-02-2013, 07:49 PM   #10
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I have not learned mud. Missed the class. Used to do c.b.u., pre-sloped pans and mud curbs. 6 years ago I stumbled through a kerdi shower. Never went back. I use some liquids but mainly kerdi board and kerdi. No comparison for me.
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Unread 10-02-2013, 07:54 PM   #11
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I should add in the few short years before I joined the forum and while working as a helper, we didn't use a pre-slope and nailed backerboard to the curb. Doh. Dint no no bettah
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Unread 10-03-2013, 05:47 AM   #12
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I use Kerdi board,Kerdi and a Kerdi drain.I keep the trailer stocked with these items and the accessories.
I sell the Kerdi shower system and some people ask for it by name.Orange is everywhere.
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