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Unread 07-01-2013, 11:56 AM   #1
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Cracked tile and water damage discovery - need advice

While re-caulking the bathtub the other day, I decided to recaulk around the floor tiles as well.
Started to pull the old caulk in one corner and with it came up the mosaic tile pieces.

I pulled about a dozen or so and reveled what you can see pictured below.

This is most likely an original installation. House was built in 1982
It was not set on mortar, but some glue like material (mastic perhaps?)
I can pull all of this mosaic tile with my fingers pretty much, grout is cracking and chipping away very easily... but this is how far I got.

Wood appears to be dry but does have a moldy smell to it.

At this point - what are my best next steps? Can I repair it temporary with some thinset over this old plywood and installing some new mosaic tile over that area?

OR should I:

Demo all of this tile, and see if the floor has major water damage beyond this corner.

Then I can install new plywood, new hardiebacker on thinset, and then tile it with new tile, grout and caulk.

One thing that concerns me is - do I have to lift up the bath tub to see if there is more water damage under it? Lifting the tub will pretty much destroy all tile around it on the walls...


Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Unread 07-01-2013, 03:08 PM   #3
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Nick, since all the tiles, walls and the floor, have been installed at the same time, if one is going bad, the other will also go bad soon if it hasn't already. You would want to change it all at the same time to have a working shower that is problem free.
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Unread 07-01-2013, 07:24 PM   #4
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Tesara, thanks for the reply.
Can I demo and redo just the flooring and do the walls at a later time?
Sort of split this project into two parts...

I guess what I am asking is that uncommon to do just the flooring first...
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Yes you can provided the substrates are in good condition.

Are those floor tiles set over plywood?
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Yes they are
I presume thats how they did that in early 80s?
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Unread 10-12-2013, 10:38 PM   #7
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I am back on this project again....
Here is what we have here:
I have removed toilet and vanity. Its all floor tile removal from here, but I am stuck..

Mosaic tile is set on top of thin plywood subfloor that is nailed on top of main plywood sub floor. Pulling these tiles is a major pain.

I was able to use a dremel saw tool and pull a section off.
What was reveled is pictured below.
Looks like water did get thru the tile subfloor onto the main subfloor.
Feels dry now..

What is the best way of moving forward without causing major damage to master subfloor?

1. Chip away each tile piece and then pull the sub floor
OR
2. Cut the subfloor on which tile is set in sections with saw and pull in large chunks?

I am pretty much stuck on how to remove this tile.
Cutting out grout with Dremel Max saw creates a ton of dust...

Any help would be appreciated.
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Unread 10-12-2013, 10:48 PM   #8
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Mosaic tile is set on top of thin plywood subfloor
Are we talking 1/4" thin? I'd try to get under that thin layer of plywood and remove it (and the mosaic that is stuck to it). The tiles should come off with a demo hammer, and the plywood will come up easiest if it is cut into sections. Once its up, evaluate the condition of your underlayment and go from there.
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