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Unread 11-27-2019, 04:37 PM   #1
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Waterproof Hardiebacker - reports?

Anyone using it yet? First impressions?

https://www.jameshardie.com/products...d/hydrodefense

Edit: sorry about the title, can't seem to be able to edit it. Moderators?
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Unread 11-27-2019, 06:06 PM   #2
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When complete waterproofing is required, seal all joints, edges and fastener
penetrations with a liquid waterproofing membrane. Follow the liquid
waterproofing membrane manufacturer application instructions.

Odd they don't say what to use and how to use it. I'll be at the kbis and ibs trade shows in January. I'll talk to the reps about it.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/James-Hardi...ard/1001066302

It's 20 bucks a 3x5 sheet. It also says it's waterproof throughout the sheet, not just surface.
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Unread 11-27-2019, 06:30 PM   #3
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Rep tells me they rolled it out starting in the South first, so I tought maybe some of our Southern guys were using it by now...
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Unread 12-03-2019, 02:23 AM   #4
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Lowe's guy here. Sales have been good on hydrodefense since it rolled out 2 months ago. The hardie rep visited a few weeks ago for my thoughts on it. So far I say good. Water poured on it beads and does not absorb at all much like kerdi board. I haven't tried soaking a piece in a bucket of water to see how long it holds up (didn't even think of it till I saw this!), but I will when I get a damaged piece to work with.

My thoughts to the rep are it will be more useful for contractors vs homeowners as your going to save more on using less aquadefense vs the increased cost over normal half inch hardie over multiple jobs. If your a homeowner just doing one shower, you'll need a tub of aqua anyway for the seams and one tub is enough for a small basic shower usually.

Not that most "contractors" I work with even bother waterproofing their shower installs. Or taping seams. Or not using mastic and drywall screws in the shower... nevermind don't get me started.

It obviously doesn't have the major advantage of being super light and easy to work with like kerdi board but then it's still half the price.

Still not enough to keep me from using perrmabase on my own projects.
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Still not enough to keep me from using perrmabase on my own projects.
And PermaBase/National Gypsum is one of our cherished sponsors.

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Thanks, I will! I'm a standards fanatic with a binder full of Schluter and Mapei material, my 2018 TCNA handbook, and several folders of printed PDF's of material data sheets for my products in my drawer at my desk. I have the section on applying a polymer modified thinset mortar underneath cementitous backer board on a floor highlighted in my handbook to show my customers when their contractor says "you don't need to do that". I've heard "You're one of those John Bridge Guys" by a few contractors now, had to find out what that meant.

I'm honored. Nice to be here!
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Oh, the horrors.

Pretty sure I'd counter with "it's a shame you're not".
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Being a part of this forum has stepped my tile game up 1000%. I learned from guys that learned from someone else and so on, and somewhere in the passing down of knowledge and new products coming out and people not doing their research on said products,doing it 100% by the book was lost. When I correct one of my tile laying friends on something they are doing, 9 times out of 10 they say well that is how I learned. And I can sympathize with that as we have all probably fell victim to that in some aspect of our lives. My problem is that once you know that what you are doing is wrong and you continue to do it that way, whether it is because it is cheaper,faster or you say well I have never had a failure, that is when you become a turd in my book. I don't use products that I don't know and if I have to I do my research on them and their limitations. I am proud to be a member of this community and learn new things almost every time I get on here
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I have been told by some local pros that "tile geeks" on facebook (closed group) is where you need to go for information, as John Bridge let's any idiot with an email join
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You might point out to "some local pros" that the guys who started Tile Geeks were idiots from the John Bridge website, Mike.
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