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Old 04-19-2010, 02:45 PM   #1
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Bricks for shower curb?

Could someone please explain to me in detail, step by step the method of using bricks to form the shower curb. I've never done the brick method. I've always built a solid curb with the pan liner running up the middle, which is a pain in the ass. I'd like to try a new method on this next shower. What kind of bricks, mortar, wire lathe, etc..... This 3x5 shower is on concrete slab in the basement. Thanks.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:17 PM   #2
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Not only a PITA, but there is absolutely no way to adequately deal with the corner where the curb meets the wall, among other drawbacks.

The use of CMU for the curb armature is not different at all from the use of stacked 2x4s or any other material as far as what you're building. You simply substitute the CMU for the wood, which some folks favor when building upon concrete SOG floors.

If you look at the Shower Construction thread in our whirl-famous Liberry, you'll see the curbs constructed of wood and the proper handling of a liner over such a curb. Again, substitute some mortared bricks for the stacked 2x4s and you have the same thing.
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Todd - here is my variation. I don't use bricks - I prefer 4" cap blocks - cut them in half length ways then mortar/thin set them to the slab & each other. I have my backerboard already installed on the walls & butter the end of the block to that also.

Bricks work fine also using the same method - just takes more of them.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:58 PM   #4
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Thanks guys.

CX, it's late in the day and my code breaking skills are tired. What's CBU?

John, what are 4" cap blocks? Can I get them at Home Depot? Just use modified thinset to put them on the slab? How do I attach the pan liner to the outside of the curb once it's wrapped over?
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Cement Backer Unit.....
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He ment CMU Laz, it stands for cement masory unit, technical jargon for cement block.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:36 PM   #8
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never did Johns method, but I don't like cutting stuff I don't need to.
I use the small gray or red blocks at Lowe's.

I double them up side by side for a high curb or lay flat for a low curb.
its easy to do a brick curb here in Florida since we are on slab.
and waterproofing it with Kerdi or a liquid membrane makes it easy too.

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Its only 2 or 3 cuts usually and I have them for seats anyway...but you are faster so maybe I should pay attention.....

Todd - I don't use liners - always Kerdi or Hydroban so no connection issues for me. Cap blocks are just solid blocks or 1/2 block - they measure 4" x 8" x 16"
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To attach the liner to the outside you can run a bead of silicone on the brick and mush it in.
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ON a slab for a traditional liner I do it like this:

When you lay the preslope I mix some loose thinset to bond the mud to the slab, then after floating the pre-slope I mix up a little brick mortar (green quickrete bag) and use the same thinset on the slab and then brickmortar to set the bricks. The next day when installing the liner (see library) I use masonry nails on the outside of the curb.

Truth is it you nail into the grout joints you can even use roofing nails. Only takes about 3 or 4. then you add your lath bent over it and float with the same brick mortar mix after floating the floor.

That is how us non kerdi guys do it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:29 PM   #12
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Bricks it is!!!

Thanks a bunch everyone.
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I have used blocks on the inside on top of the liner and blocks on the outside with liner going up through the middle followed by CBU piece set on top of it all and it was all linked with thin-set. Waterproofed on top of all that.

When it was set I have tried to kick it lose and just hurts the old toe.
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When it was set I have tried to kick it lose and just hurts the old toe.
I bet it would hurt the new toe, too!
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This is an old thread, but it's the one I've been looking for!!! Thank you!

One question though: when using using bricks or CMU's to construct a curb, will I waterproof directly on top of them and then set the tile? Or is it necessary to further form a curb with lath and mortar, followed by waterproofing and tile?

Thanks again!
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