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Unread 08-01-2011, 10:26 PM   #16
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You're right to check it out and make sure that you can warranty your work, but the Protecto Wrap I could see working for that. It makes total sense to me.
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Unread 08-02-2011, 02:34 AM   #17
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I wonder if a liquid afm would stick as well as a sheet type? If I could go over everything with that, screed it with thinset and then set, I guess it could work.
Here is some Laticrete 9235 over cutback.
(gluedown exterior carpeting before this tile was installed) Didn't work so well. But is was exterior and the original tile guy appears to have made no attempt to even scrape the cutback and they didn't use the fabric that 9235 requires over concrete slabs.

But I don''t think a liquid afm would make much difference directly over cutback.
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Unread 08-02-2011, 08:58 AM   #18
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They did scrape it down on this one, and it still didn't stick. The thinset was rated as "suitable for application over a smooth adhesive residue". Might be hard to see but there is already a poor man's version of TLS or Lash, wedges under the corners.
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Unread 08-10-2011, 07:52 AM   #19
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I appreciate the feedback all!

Mr. Gobis, that picture speaks 1000 words... Kinda makes me nervous now since I have set a few small floors directly over scraped cutback. No callbacks yet, though, knock on wood.

It sounds like for future reference, the way to go is scrape everything as smooth as possible and apply a peel and stick type AFM and you're good to go.

As for this situation, I haven't heard back from the HO, but I am going to send them a link to this thread. Whether I end up doing the job or not, there's alot of good info for them to consider here.
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Unread 08-16-2011, 09:09 PM   #20
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To end the story, the HO decided they were absolutely against removing the vct due to the asbestos concerns, so we won't be working together. I feel bad for them given that they have some other issues with the floor as well, but I just couldn't put my name on that one in good conscience going over what was there. I told her about the best they can do is use an uber modified thinset and hope for the best...

This whole process wasn't a complete waste though. I at least I know how to deal with old cutback in the future thanks to ya'll!
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Unread 08-16-2011, 09:33 PM   #21
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I am on a slab that looks just like Dave g's picture. Was thinking slu with primer over 2.5# lath, spiked every 8" or so.

Bueno or no?
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Unread 08-16-2011, 09:47 PM   #22
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i'd say so
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Unread 08-16-2011, 09:50 PM   #23
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Likely made you a bit of a profit there, Brad.
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Unread 08-17-2011, 09:19 PM   #24
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Agreed, cx.

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Why not just use a sheet type afm as others have suggested? Seems like alot less work and I'd actually feel better about it.
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Unread 08-17-2011, 10:13 PM   #25
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If the asbestos tile is well bonded why not apply peel and stick afm directly over tile as opposed to removing tile and applying membrane over cut back residue?

Of course the best is to just say to the HO to give me call when you have a clean slab and no mas asbestos.
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Unread 08-17-2011, 10:17 PM   #26
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In my case, Isaac, there was ct over the asbestos. They already had a guy come and tear out the ct and some of the vct came up too. That's where the biggest concern with removing the asbestos vct came in. Not all of it was so well bonded anymore...

If it was, I MAY have been convinced to go over it with an afm. Either way, I'm never keen on the idea of going over any existing flooring.
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Unread 08-17-2011, 11:05 PM   #27
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Either way, I'm never keen on the idea of going over any existing flooring
Agreed, just throwing an idea out there.
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Time to revisit this thread again. I looked at a job where there's 12" by 12" vct with black cutback adhesive. My inclination is to let the HO (or whoever else they can find who's willing) remove the vct and cutback adhesive as much as possible. I was thinking at that point I'd like to give Green Skin a try. From what I've read about it here, it sounds like it has the most tenacious bond of the peel and stick membranes. I'm guessing well scraped cutback adhesive is no match for it?
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I think a few manufacturers have a primer for cutback now.




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