"Sauce For The Goose..."

[HS345]

https://bongino.com/the-facts-on-arming-teachers/

[PC7060]

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Essentially, it's the mindset of the perp...NOT the device, but we don't have the outcry about banning Ford, do we?

A gun, rifle or shotgun or brick is only a tool...so why do we demonize the tool?

It’s hardly accurate to compare auto and gun regulations. Ownership and operation of vehicles regardless of brand is regulated and controlled in a manner which greatly exceeds guns. Laws exist throughout the nation which require individuals to be licensed, have the proper training and insurance before operating a vehicle.

Motor vehicle safety is studied at state and federal organizations resulting in improvements in both autos and roadways to drive down injuries and fatalities. Is it unreasonable to do the same for gun related injuries and deaths?

I do agree that the type of firearm really doesn’t matter and focusing on specific types (e.g. AR, etc.) is a distraction. We need to understand the causes and trigger for these events and implement reasonable measures to mitigate the risk regardless of the firearm type. And frankly it starts with better mental health support at risk individuals before they harm others whether with a hammer, a gun or a Ford.

[Just In Tile LLC]

I brought those other points up on post #10 because I think they are a smart way to go about it on those other topics.

I somewhat agree with jadnashua on not a God given right to "everyone" but to a competent person, and we should have a way or process to determine that.

I would suspect the reason for some people to not want to give up an inch when it comes to determining who is competent and who is not is they would say that system could be manipulated over time to where the original "plan" ends up disqualifying huge amounts of competent people...and I would say the history of our government would actually support their claim. haha

BUT... I also suspect that our founding fathers would not personally hand a gun over to the village idiot or someone mentality unstable... it was just called common sense and not a formal rule. Don't give a rifle to Fredrick over there he stares at the sun all day.

If we find a way to accurately or let me say very accurately, weed out what most of us would consider an incompetent person and still have checks and balances so government can't slowly grow their net on who's incompetent I'd be for it...

It's a hard sell though because we all witnessed the difference in governing bodies just in the U.S. through covid. We saw the door open an inch in some places and some areas it was a mile! So I understand people wary of ANY sort of regulation or restriction on firearms, even though I think we need more.

[jadnashua]

Prior to Texas enacting their open carry law so basically everyone can carry a pistol in public most places, in the about 5 years prior (don't remember the exact timeframe), they had rejected about 35,000 applications for one reason or another. But, after the implementation of their new law, it appears everyone now is qualified to carry...does this make any sense?

Some people just aren't suited to be able to carry or even access a lethal weapon.

[Just In Tile LLC]

I agree there are some really silly things like that that don't make sense.

I remember reading about someone can be on the no fly list but still buy a firearm. Just little things like that should be resolved for sure.

I do want the right to own a firearm to always be there. I wouldn't mind raising the age to 21 but have allowances for military and youth hunting or sporting.

[Mathman]

This is where we are as a nation with our expectation of teachers...

[Just In Tile LLC]

Yeah I agree that teachers have a tough gig, it would be like working for 30 homeowners at once, and each of them wanting a different design in the same space.

[Lazarus]

More teachers are now armed. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ls-mike-dewine

[Mathman]

rehio. more teachers are allowed to be armed with less training.


if I read correctly, now with only 24 hours of training instead of 700.

So, will teachers have semi automatic rifles in the classroom or just pistols?

I wonder if anyone here is also a teacher. If you are not do you realize how much training they require teachers to have to continue to be teachers each year? (or during each 5 years certification window)

So, shooting a gun requires 24 hours of training. Teaching a child in Texas requires 150 hours every five years. For those not so good with math that is 30 hours per year.

Ohio requires 180 hours to be qualified to teach those kids. But to have a gun in the classroom and try to protect them like a police officer only requires 24...

[Lazarus]

24 hours of training to operate a handgun is quite a lot if it includes range time...

[Mathman]

Not many ranges inside a classroom...

[Lazarus]

Duh....No, obviously they would need to go to a range facility....