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Unread 09-18-2011, 01:17 PM   #1
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Tiling to Metal Fireplace Box

I have to tile a fireplace surround where the majority of the stone tiles (2" by 2" on mesh) will be installed over the metal fire box. I was thinking of applying a couple of coats of hydroban and tiling over that since it sticks to metal pipes and all. Any issues with that given the heat factor?

I'd rather not have to use an epoxy adhesive, but if I do, so be it.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 01:44 PM   #2
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I normally attach some metal lath with self tapping screws and mud it!
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Unread 09-18-2011, 02:16 PM   #3
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I do it like Shaun, lath with self tapping screws and mud. Never an issue and I've done a bunch over the years.
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I've used a refractory cement. It has pretty much the same working characteristics as mastic-maybe a lil runnier. Works great! It says right on it "made to bond stone to metal". Only comes in grey-dark grey and you wanna definitely make sure you clean the joints as you go. Sets up much harder than mastic and it definitely sticks to the stone. I'll look around for the bucket and get back to you with some ordering info
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Unread 09-18-2011, 03:08 PM   #5
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Well, ol' Brad only does mud and lath on floors, so I'll nip that in the bud! They wouldn't want it to stand proud of the wall like that anyway since the shower and tub that ties into it doesn't.

Anything other than white adhesive is out too considering this in onyx. Guess I forgot to mention that.

Usually I don't have more than an inch or two of metal to worry about, but this is an unusual fireplace style where there's a good 6" metal showing all around.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 04:37 PM   #6
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You might be able to find some in white Brad-i never looked. I got mine from a place called chimneysweep.com but any store that sells chimney or fireplace products should have something similar. I'm telling ya, I was pretty impressed with the bond! Plus you don't have to worry about the excessive heat breaking down the adhesive or the possibility of toxic fumes.
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Brad, sometimes we float and sometimes when thickness is a factor we glue and screw 1/4" wonderboard to the front and then use a pencil rail or the like on the inside edges (around the firebox) to cover the thickness of the backerboard.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 06:37 PM   #8
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GE silicone, good to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. but the tiles need to then be stuck to the other substrate (the surround. )

What size?
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Unread 09-18-2011, 06:50 PM   #9
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Keep in mind, you are actually sticking to black paint, not metal. That said, I would think if what you use will stick to metal, it would stick to paint. I can see your point if you need it flush and not the thickness mud would need. Many times, the metal box is set back about a half inch from the sheetrock which allows me to mud out flush with the sheetrock.
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I use Ultraset http://www.masterwholesale.com/mwist...dID=1229357790 and embedd mesh tape for the seam between the fireplace and the wall.
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Unread 09-20-2011, 08:01 AM   #11
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Well, I looked at Latapoxy 310 as a possibility, but Laticrete only rates that up to 160 degrees.

I'm almost leaning toward seeing if they can set the box back 1/4" and I silicone 1/4 cbu with heat rated silicone to the front and then tile to that. I'm using a cigaro on the inside, so that could make up the 1/4 gap. What say ya'll?
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Unread 09-20-2011, 07:52 PM   #12
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I didn't know this until today, but reading the tubes of silicone, they're rated to 400 degrees. I'm talking regular bath silicone. I hath found my method-silicone on the 1/4" cbu indeed and tile away!
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Unread 09-20-2011, 07:54 PM   #13
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I wonder about the high temp silicone found at auto repair stores

Temperature: Temperature range -65°F to 650°F (-54°C to 343°C) intermittent.
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Brad, I'm curious how this has held up for you since this post in 2011. I hope you're still on this forum and can let me know what you used and how it went! I am about to do the same thing, looking at the Rutland RTV Silicone adhesive to attach tiles to the metal surround of my zero-clearance Napoleon fireplace.

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