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Unread 01-07-2020, 07:30 PM   #31
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I thought they meant outside the shower floor.
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Unread 01-07-2020, 11:59 PM   #32
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The pro (general contractor) made a shower pan that is not even. It is supposed to be a single slope, but it is bumpy. I wonder how I can fix this before (or while) installing tile. What kind of adhesive could be used in a thicker layer to get the tiles in a nice and straight plane?
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Unread 01-08-2020, 08:13 AM   #33
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Depending on how bad it is, grinding it might be in order. Are there just little bumps here and there, or large humps that would interfere with water draining from larger areas?
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Unread 01-08-2020, 10:50 AM   #34
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Marion said, "What kind of adhesive could be used in a thicker layer to get the tiles in a nice and straight plane? "

You really shouldn't have to put down a second mud bed because there's a few voids. Fill the voids and let it set, then tile it. Like Kevin said, Depends on how big the voids are and what size tiles you're using.
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Unread 01-08-2020, 02:17 PM   #35
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See photo. It is just wavy. My tiles are 6x6 squares. I think I can make the tiles nice and straight, but someone said earlier in this thread that thinset is not suitable to use in a thicker layer.
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The differences between high and low areas are about 1/2".
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That's more than I thought. Doesn't sound like your contractor has any experience mudding a shower floor. Leaving 1/2 waves in the floor won't fly. I'm not saying it can't be filled but I would make him remove the mud and start over.
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Davy, can I use thin-set or something else? I am just tired dealing with this guy, and also tired of involving the landlord who hired him. I would be much happier to just fix it myself without a lot of demolition.
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Marion, the only correct way to fix the final mud bed on your shower floor would be to remove what's there and do another mud bed properly. That mud needs to be flat from perimeter to drain, properly sloped, and sufficiently porous to function properly.

He needs to do it over and do it correctly this time. You shouldn't hafta be re-doing his work if he's being paid to do it.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Unread 01-11-2020, 07:32 PM   #40
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Tearing it out is not an option. He wont make it better next time. And dealing with the landlord is a p.i.t.a. too (landlord loves his contractor, which doesn't make things easier). There must be other ways to deal with an uneven surface and still do a good job. I wondered if I can use a "large format tile adhesive". I read that ProLite can be used 3/4 thick. That would give me enough to make up for the humps and bumps. What do you think?
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Landlord hired contractor to build shower tile-ready and pays for material, I am going to install tiles...
Contractor has not fulfilled his part of that agreement. If you elect to tile over a surface that does not meet tile industry standards you have accepted the unsuitable substrate and are responsible for the results. I very strongly recommend you not do that to yourself.

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Given that you are not the owner, I agree, I wouldn't tile that. When the time comes that you move from there the LL could try to blame you for whatever ills that uneven surace ends up causing.

Have the LL find someone to tile it.
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If you are a renter, why are you even bothering with this or worrying about it?? Let the contractor do whatever.
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I made a deal with the landlord: he pays for material, I provide the labor. That had worked fine in the past for tiled stairs. But since LL insisted to use his contractor for the prep work in the shower, we are having trouble. We called him already to fix a few mistakes, f.e. wall and curb where the glass blocks will be attached were nowhere near 90 degrees to each other. His fix was a hump of mortar on the wall. I don't need fixes like that. At least now the wall looks as uneven as the pan.
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Unread 01-14-2020, 06:49 PM   #45
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For smaller problems with flatness, you could use a rubbing block, but that becomes a lot more tedious and problematic over a larger surface area. A typical mud bed rubs down fairly quickly.

With a conventional shower build, the mud bed needs to drain. Adding a bunch on top of it may compromise that, and bonding it to the original layer becomes an issue. You might get by with using a slurry of Portland cement to bond some new deck mud into the low spots, but I wouldn't risk it.

Cracking out that top layer without damaging the liner could probably be done with care. The materials are cheap, and with a single slope, should be easier than making a bowl with slopes towards the center. A long straightedge screed should allow you to get the slope flat.
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