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Unread 05-27-2013, 09:07 PM   #481
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SInce that's the case, just trip the GFCI and the slave outlet will be dead. If its not, you'll find out rather rapidly and it will need to be a GFCI.
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Unread 05-28-2013, 10:03 PM   #482
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Creaky tiles?

Noticed a creaking noise tonight while I was stepping the two rows of tiles closest to the tub. Sounds just like a squeaky subfloor but have never noted it before I grouted the floor. The subfloor is a double layer of 1/2 over 3/4 plywood firmly screwed using the schedule from the libery. The tiles are firmly set onto the ditra. Is it possible the creaking coming from between the ditra and the plywood?
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Unread 05-28-2013, 10:19 PM   #483
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Solved - maybe.

Sound seems to be coming from tile to tub transition. Following the tried and true "last person" rule (problem is always associated with the last person who worked on the system before the problem occurred) I found a buildup of Spectralock between the tile and the acrylic tub. Cleaned out the SL and no more squeak. Finger crossed it doesn't come back. And I'm looking for 4 leaf clovers too.

Seems odd that the movement of the tile over ditra is enough to produce such a loud squeak. Ok, I am pretty big (well bigger than a full sized MIL) and I was concentrating all my weight on my heels but am curious if this surprises anyone?

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Unread 05-28-2013, 10:53 PM   #484
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There should be no perceptible movement of the tiled floor at all, PC. Not between tile and Ditra, nor Ditra and subfloor, nor subfloor. Enough movement to have caused a squeak is too much movement for a tile installation in my view.

Will it be a serious problem in that particular location? I dunno.

Is that the only location where the floor is deflecting to that degree? I'd wanna know.

Knowing exactly how the floor is constructed in that particular area could be enlightening. But if you are able to put your full weight on that particular area, you've gotta expect that it will happen again in normal use, I would think.

Can't say how much of an issue it might actually be from over here, though.

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Unread 05-28-2013, 11:42 PM   #485
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PC, good sleuthing. Problem solved!

You are probably hyper-sensitive to noises since everything is new.

If the noise comes back, you can go to plan B, which is to quit jumping up and down in the spot that makes the noise. I doubt you regularly stand in one spot on your heels anyway.
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Unread 05-29-2013, 04:52 AM   #486
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No squeaky tub or any other issues noted this am.

CX, Re your question on floor construction - 2x8 joists with a 5' span to curtain wall and 14' overall with 2x6 sisters applied for leveling and stiffening in tiled area. Subfloor is 3/4 TG across entire floor and a second 1/2 ply layer applied abutting the tub under the entire tiled area. Then Ditra with thinset to ply with 1/4 trowel. Tiles applied to ditra with 1/2 trowel using versabond.

Acrylic tub is set on a mortar base on the 3/4 subfloor. This section of the floor is not over the curtain wall and has a longer span I reinforced with sister 2x8 so there is a degree of independent movement between the tub and the tile areas. How much, hard to say but would not take much to produce a squeak with a acrylic tub moving against a hard item.

There is no discernible deflection in the floor when I walk/jump on it. Best guess at any weak link is the ditra bonding to subfloor in that area which may allow movement in those tiles but that is just a guess. It was my first time with ditra so probably not perfect.

Will keep an eye on it. At this point if there is a long term problem, the cure is the same whether I do something now or later. To quote CX, can't guarantee success but can't guarantee failure either.

Heidi - Mrs PC would agree with you to stop jumping on floor but I'm sure not going to talk to her about any squeak at this point! Going to leave happy wife alone. Worst case happens, I guarantee my work and Mrs. PC knows how to find me.

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Wrapping up the last details of bath # 1 renovation. All trim is installed caulked and painted. Just finished cleanup up the bathroom door with one coat of paint on and on to go.

Installed the vanity from Costco which is well built unit and fits the space nicely. The back splash is made from a 5mm white marble threshold from Home Depot. Caulked in place using white silicon, thanks for the tip Paul.

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The unit was a last minute substitution for a vanity from Lowes but fortunately the opening for the plumbing was just wide enough. Had a issue with the Kohler fawcett interfering with the medicine cabinet door but it was simple to unscrew and trim the top of the legs about 1/2 inch to correct the problem.

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Got a my caulk from Color Rite so ready for the final step of the project!

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oh yeah, also got rid of the cheesy yellow outlet and plate!
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Caulking complete!

Want to thank the JB Forum crew again for another great product recommendation. The ColorRite Sanded Silicon ("ColorSIL") Silver Shadow and the Smoke grey had good color matching with the grout and the sanded texture made it blend in well with the grout. But I have to say the "MIST ACCESSORY PACK with 4OZ.. SPRAY BOTTLE" was what really made the magic happen. I am usually a skeptic of special grouting tool but I decided to give the accessory pack a try based on Aubrey's (of ColorRite Inc.) recommendation.

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Basically you apply the silicon (none too carefully in my case), spray the silicon bead with the mist spray and then squeeze the caulk into shape using the plastic corner tool. The result was remarkably smooth and consistent caulk finish that matched the grout finish very well. Great product!

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I used a little more than one tube for the entire tub surround and shower niche; with a little more careful application I could have gotten it complete with one tube. Fortunately I had two tube of Silver Shadow on hand plus one tube of Smoke grey for the floor to tub transition.

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Need to wait 24-48 hours for the silicon to cure fully before using the shower but that will give me time to remove the protective material off the tub (Mrs. PC can hardly wait to get rid of that blue tape and cardboard), install the toilet and door to wrap up this project.

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Lookin' good, PC. It's got to be a nice feeling wrapping it all up.
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Pete, How is the shower glass project working out? I'd be using that shower without the door after all that hard work.
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Pete, How is the shower glass project working out? I'd be using that shower without the door after all that hard work.
The glass is ready and the installers emailed yesterday asking to install it today which would be awesome except the family and I are on the road returning from a little Disney vacation. So no work on my project since last week. Hopefully tonight and tomorrow I can finish the trim painting and shower caulking (I only caulked where the shower glass would intersect before leaving) and Thursday is glass enclosure day. I'd love to schedule my final inspections next week.
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Looks great, PC, all of it, and let me just say that the caulk joints at the tub and down the legs are just beautiful, very consistent. All that careful planning, measuring, and cutting really paid off.

Great tip on that spray stuff, I hope I remember it when I do my master bath.
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...caulk joints at the tub and down the legs are just beautiful, very consistent
Thanks, I really owe that to you and Pete and the timely feedback on tub legs (who knew tub have legs?) way back on March 15. The "what to avoid" picture was a classic.

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Glad I took my lead from Pete's example because I wouldn't even be able to go into the room if I had to look at that funky transition every time.

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