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Unread 12-16-2018, 07:56 AM   #16
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No worries then. You got lucky and did good and avoided a boatload of headaches down the road. I read your post and thought to myself “oh no, this guys gonna get screwed”. Glad you’re not. (I must have been in a particularly pissy mood the other day. Sorry about that.)
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Unread 12-16-2018, 08:36 AM   #17
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Gozo. Not all brother. I have been lurking and reading here for last 6 months. I enjoy the banter and honesty from everyone. I just wish I would have listened to my gut and Sal From Elite tile and done the schulter system myself from walls to pan to curb then had it tiled by a real tile expert.





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Unread 12-16-2018, 08:47 AM   #18
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Hi James, good thing you tore out the pan liner because it would have leaked eventually. You can now go with the Schulter pan like you wanted to.
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Unread 12-16-2018, 09:44 AM   #19
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Any opinions of the schulter pans and system. I know many swear by it. I love the idea but the foam curbs are what scare me. Maybe I’m over thinking it all.


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Unread 12-16-2018, 09:52 AM   #20
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Depends who installs it. There are many approved methods and they all can be screwed up if not installed correctly. We have a lot of Kerdi experts here so you'll get all the info you'll need on that system.
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If you don't like the foam pans or curbs, you can construct the curb with 2x4's covered with sheetrock, and form a mud pan yourself. They're relatively easy for someone with a little knowledge of construction, and rock-solid and waterproof when covered with Kerdi.
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Unread 12-16-2018, 11:25 AM   #22
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I was leery of Schluter's foam curb myself, but since it's been installed, ok mortar cured is probably a better timeframe, I've sat on it and stood on it with no I'll effects. I was also skeptical about the bench, I didn't feel like there was enough surface area in contact with the wall or floor for it to be strong, but I've sat my 210 pound a$$ on there several times and I get no sense of movement. I'm not talking about the bare foam stuff, Kerdi pre-covered stuff.
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Unread 12-16-2018, 12:08 PM   #23
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Used the foam pan and did some cutouts and trimming (against advice that the edges would be uneven). Didn’t use the curb or bench as I was concerned about them not having the sloped top and I had planned a nonstandard bench shape. Those were made with drywall clad wood forms. The whole thing worked out beyond my expectations for a first time DIY shower. The project and thread ended a few months back (you can search for the thread if interested). It really was not as daunting a task as I had imagined (and lost many nights of sleep pondering all the what could go wrong stuff.). I can’t see how you could wind up with something worse that you rightfully tore out.
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I’m getting a few new estimates from bathroom contractors today and tomorrow. Hopefully I can make a decision to move forward on my own or with a new contractor. If I do it alone I plan to use the family of schulter products....


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Unread 12-17-2018, 12:45 PM   #25
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James, if you decide to hire another contractor, you should interview them carefully this time. If they somehow feel uncomfortable, then you know not to hire that person. A good shower builder (be it DIY or professional) would always recognize the importance of intact waterproofing.

I tend to be a bit malevolent at times. If it were me, I'd ask something like: "I've read online that a preslope is a waste of time and doesn't work anyway. Don't you agree?"

Having said this, building your own shower with the Schluter system is easy enough if you're patient and have some time to burn. It certainly is instructive and fun. All you need to learn can be found right here on this forum. I daresay that it is easier for the first-time DIY than the traditional PVC liner method.
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Hi James, I have been using Schulter products for over 15 years now. I use 2" Kerdi board for the curbs and Kerdi board on the walls taking proper measures to make sure the walls are flat before I put the board on. It is a great system.
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Unread 12-18-2018, 07:07 AM   #27
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Master-bath project

Thanks Mike. How do you level walls. I have found much liquid nails behind the sheet rock I pulled off and I’m having a serious time even trying to use a chisel to get it off.


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Yup. Had to deal with lots of that. Belt sander with a really coarse belt for the high spots. Drywall shims for the low spots. Use a 4’ or 6’ level to check for plumb and as a gauge for range across the face of 3 or 4 studs. It’s time consuming, but you can get them dead plumb.
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Had the same on mine, James, and used an old wood chisel to get most of it off. Didn't like using the belt sander on the glue as it would clog the belt pretty quickly.

What Jeff said about getting the studs trued up. Drywall shims really, really came in handy for my walls, but neither Depot or Lowes had them in stock - ended up ordering a box of them from Amazon.
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