Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile

Welcome to John Bridge / Tile Your World, the friendliest DIY Forum on the Internet


Advertiser Directory
JohnBridge.com Home
Buy John Bridge's Books

Go Back   Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile > Tile & Stone Forums > Cleaning, Restoration and Sealing

Sponsors


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Unread 02-24-2020, 06:30 PM   #1
mographer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 12
Used the wrong sealer for slate shower. Need advice!

Hello, I recently installed a slate floor in my bathroom and shower. After doing some reading in this forum, I wish I had done that before making the decision, having learned it's regarded as one of the worst materials for wet environments. But what's done is done. I used 511 Seal and Enhance on it, but after just a couple weeks of use I'm noticing soap scum build up. Just white cloudiness forming around where one would typically stand. After doing some research it seems this really wasn't the best type of sealant to use. I'm having trouble finding some definitive methods of stripping it to apply a better sealer. Any help with that would be greatly appreciated. Will stripping it also remove the soap scum that has already accumulated? What should I use to clean, strip, and then re-seal this slate for the best possible outcome?

Thank you!
__________________
Ted
mographer is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Unread 02-24-2020, 07:48 PM   #2
cx
Moderator emeritus
 
cx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Boerne, Texas
Posts: 89,826
Welcome back, Ted.

Since Miracle was bought out by Rust-oleum a couple years back, there seems to be even less technical information about the product available online. And Rust-oleum seems not to recognize the difference between sealer and sealant, especially in the tile industry.

It's still a solvent-based product, which might render it somewhat removable, but I expect it's still a penetrating sealer and not really something that's gonna be simple to remove, if even possible to remove sufficiently to change to a different type of sealer. I just doubt you'd ever get it completely or consistently removed from your stone to the extent that another product would be able to replace it successfully. But I been wrong before.

What type of sealer did you have in mind if you think the 511 is not the correct type for your application? I'm mostly curious what type of product you expect would stop the build-up of soap scum on the surface of the stone. Perhaps changing the type of soap you use would be an easier and more effective solution.

A photo of what you're seeing might help when one of our sealing gurus stops by.

My opinion; worth price charged.
__________________
CX

Y'ALL NEW VISITORS READ THIS HERE!
cx is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 02-25-2020, 01:02 PM   #3
mographer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 12
Thanks CX. I meant to grab a picture before I left home today but forgot. I am able to seemingly rub the soap scum off with just my finger if I rub hard enough. Perhaps I just need to clean it well and apply another layer of the 511 seal and enhance? Or would I be able to apply 511 impregnator sealer on top, and would that be better? What is the go-to product for cleaning soap scum off of sealed slate?

You ask what sealer I had in mind... I was reading a website yesterday that was ranking sealers and Stonetech Bulletproof came out on top, while 511 was about middle of the pack. So that just got me thinking that maybe I should strip and re-do. But from what you're saying that sounds impossible, or at least really difficult. The only info I could fine on rust-oleums site was that it would take heat in excess of 900 degrees to brake it down and would take some pretty agressive sanding. So... not sounding like stripping is an option.

Thanks for your help!
__________________
Ted
mographer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 02-25-2020, 01:37 PM   #4
cx
Moderator emeritus
 
cx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Boerne, Texas
Posts: 89,826
Your cleaner wants to be a neutral or alkali Ph product for that task. I'm not the right guy to tell you a specific product, but we have folks who can.

We (TYW) were dealers of StoneTech Professional products back when they were made by StoneTech Professional. The Bulletproof sealer was recommended for porous stones and grouts and I don't know if your slate would fall into that category and I was told by the manufacturer that it was of no real value to move up to Bulletproof unless your surface was one that could fully benefit.

None of the penetrating sealers is gonna prevent your soap buildup.

StoneTech is now owned and manufacturered by Laticrete. You might wanna check their website to see their recommendation and whether slate would be considered porous.

I'll see if I can get our Laticrete rep to look in on your thread.

My opinion; worth price charged.
__________________
CX

Y'ALL NEW VISITORS READ THIS HERE!
cx is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 02-26-2020, 04:25 PM   #5
Tile & Stone Guild
King Of Tile
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Tn
Posts: 144
I wouldn't regard 511 as a inferior sealer or go through the trouble of trying to remove it. Pics are always helpful.
__________________
Jeff
Tile & Stone Guild is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 02-26-2020, 06:11 PM   #6
jerrymlr1
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sarasota FL
Posts: 1,234
What kind of soap are you using? Bar soap will leave soap scum on anything. I bet if you switch to a liquid soap your soap scum problem will disappear.
__________________
Jerry
jerrymlr1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 02-27-2020, 08:40 AM   #7
ss3964spd
Moderator
 
ss3964spd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Fairfax, Va
Posts: 2,981
Send a message via Yahoo to ss3964spd
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry
I bet if you switch to a liquid soap your soap scum problem will disappear.
Yup. I made the switch when I started using the new shower. No way was I going to let soap scum build up on all that hard work.
__________________
Dan
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If I recall correctly my memory is excellent, but my ability to access it is intermittent.
ss3964spd is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-03-2020, 12:04 PM   #8
Sharon @ LATICRETE
Registered User
 
Sharon @ LATICRETE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Bethany, CT
Posts: 285
Hi Ted,
We'd recommend contacting the manufacturer of the sealer you used to find out their recommendations of what to do to strip it. If you can successfully strip it, we'd be able to you determine which STONETECH products (yes, manufactured by LATICRETE) you can use. When you get to that point, feel free to contact our Tech Services at 1.800.243.4788 x1235
__________________
Sharon@LATICRETE
www.laticrete.com
Sharon @ LATICRETE is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-05-2020, 05:35 PM   #9
mographer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 12
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I had put it aside for a bit because I stopped using the shower for the time being and got busy with some other tasks.

But something crazy happened today and the situation got worse. I don't know what's going on. My house cleaner cleaned it today, which she has done before, and used Bona stone floor cleaner. I've attached pictures of what happened. There is so much white residue! I don't know what is causing this. I've tried cleaning with Stonetech soap scum remover, but that does nothing. Some parts I can actually rub off with my finger if I rub long enough, it kind of rubs off and rolls up under my finger. Other spots don't come up that way. I actually even tried rubbing a spot with steel wool, which I attached a picture of, and that took it off for the most part. The black arrow shows the area I used the steel wool

Anyone have any idea what's causing this and how do I stop it?

To answer Sharon from Laticrete, I sealed with 511 Seal&Enhance. I did two applications of it. The only info I can find about removing it is on their website where it says it takes 900 degree temperatures to break it down and thus the stone has be honed or sanded down. So, doesn't sound like I'm going to be removing this sealer.
Attached Images
  
__________________
Ted
mographer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-10-2020, 10:50 AM   #10
ss3964spd
Moderator
 
ss3964spd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Fairfax, Va
Posts: 2,981
Send a message via Yahoo to ss3964spd
Feel free to PM me with any questions you might have, Ted.

Regards,

Dan
__________________
Dan
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If I recall correctly my memory is excellent, but my ability to access it is intermittent.
ss3964spd is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Stonetooling.com   Tile-Assn.com   National Gypsum Permabase


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wrong Sealer used Carolyn D Cleaning, Restoration and Sealing 10 05-28-2014 11:40 AM
A Friend has asked for advice on what is wrong with his shower install. My Dream Tile Forum/Advice Board 11 04-01-2011 05:23 PM
Bulletproof sealer - what did I do wrong? ErikaH Tile Forum/Advice Board 22 03-03-2009 07:01 AM
Advice on wet/look sealer for slate? ken90712 Tile Forum/Advice Board 6 06-05-2008 09:45 PM
Need polished slate sealer advice Jtom Tile Forum/Advice Board 1 01-14-2005 04:15 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:41 PM.


Sponsors

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2018 John Bridge & Associates, LLC