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Unread 10-18-2005, 09:05 PM   #1
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Have any of you fine people noticed how much garbage is showing up here in North America calling itself tile? Most days I feel like I've never set tile before. During the day, I've been fighting this ungaged slate ...not sure where it's from, because there are no boxes...just a big crate full of slate. They vary in size by about 1/4 inch.....the thickness is even worse....some are 1/8th...some are 1/2"...some are both. Not fun at all.

At night I'm doing some octagon mosaic from Thailand. Looks nice, mounted on mesh. The mesh is the problem...it overhangs the outside edge of the sheets...so every sheet has to be trimmed or it gets in the way...and of course as soon as you trim it, it falls apart. It also has been mounted with a water soluable adhesive....this makes the water saw out of the question, as I found out when all the tile fell off the mesh within seconds. This unfortunately happens as soon as it hits the thin set too....so you end up adjusting each peice individually...which takes a lot of time. Paper faced is easier to do than this stuff.

I also have some 8x8 white tile for the showers....I set my levels and went up 3 rows....and already ran out of grout joints. I'm going to have to open all the boxes and sort the different sizes.

How the heck do we make money when this is what we are given to install everyday?
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Unread 10-18-2005, 09:13 PM   #2
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Hi, I feel your pain. But why buy the cheap imported tile from China, Thailand, or some other third world country? The slate tile I installed I bought at Expo was unfortunately from India and I had to go through dozens of boxes to get the right texture and colors that I wanted. I returned a LOT of tile to them and have plenty of rejects. You get what you pay for. I bought a Target blue wetsaw and not one of the cheaper imports that you find at Home Depot. Seems like you're from Canada -- that's one country that still makes a lot of quality products.....have you considered buying Canadian made tile? If you don't like the imported junk then vote with your dollars -- it's too bad that more people don't. I try to avoid buying this kind of junk from these countries whenever possible.

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Unread 10-18-2005, 09:52 PM   #3
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i think that the customer is supplying the offending tiles
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Unread 10-18-2005, 09:55 PM   #4
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I hear ya Bri, I git the same stuff once and a while, you just want to pull your hair out!
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Unread 10-18-2005, 10:20 PM   #5
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I've felt the same way lately Bri. Gotta try harder to get control of the materials side of the bid as well as the labor. It's also really nice to have the extra profit for really not much more work at all. I'm also thinking of leaving a "subject to" open end on the contract when the materials are supplied by others, at least until I've had a chance to carefully inspect the entire order & adjust the price accordingly.
Just worked on a checkerboard limestone job with alternating polished/honed. 2 different sized materials from the same vendor & the honed varied by up to 1/8" out of size & out of square. All had perfect 1/32" bevels though.
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Unread 10-18-2005, 10:25 PM   #6
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you just want to pull your hair out!
I was wondering who I would blame for that.
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Unread 10-19-2005, 04:18 AM   #7
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You sure know how to make me feel really really good about retirement Bri
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Unread 10-19-2005, 02:37 PM   #8
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Todd just said the "R" word. I dream about the "r" word......and Jennifer Aniston....don't have a hope in heck of getting either one of them.
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Unread 10-19-2005, 05:49 PM   #9
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I thought I was the only one working with garbage. In two weeks I got to pull 700+ due to a defect that you can only see when the sun coming through the window at a certain angle. It shows mini impefections in the finish, we worked 4 days before we noticed it. We had one rep out already and he found it to be more than he can judge for so they sent the tile company rep out today, I havn't found out the results yet. This was set on ultra contact so I know I'm in for a tough time to pull.
Today I'm working with coffee saucers. I feel ya Bri GARBAGE.
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Unread 10-19-2005, 05:53 PM   #10
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Bri, I'm in lock-step with you on the Jennifer thing. Wouldn't mind retiring either.
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Unread 10-19-2005, 05:56 PM   #11
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The junk tile seems to be coming from everywhere. My Dad uses a lot of AO with his builders. At least 1 piece in two boxes has a split all the way through the tile. Looks like if you touch the tile, it will fall apart.
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Unread 10-19-2005, 06:09 PM   #12
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I have to say.... we don't have much Canadian tile that we deal with. I got to say that we have found the best quality tiles come from Italy.... not that others are bad . But we find that most (not all) Italian tiles are very good for quality.
Not sure what most opinions are on this forum but i prefer Italian tiles. And no I'm not Italian. We are currently doing a 4000 Sqft job with Chinese tiles and they are very good... very impressed. And the Jennifer Aniston thing .
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Unread 10-19-2005, 07:41 PM   #13
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Bri,

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speaking of, I just did a job today with porcelain italian imports , little to say i tossed my spacers in the truck and trusted the tile to take me to the pay check, this tile was so perfect i took one home to put on the wall. I also did another job recently with horrible slate and had to set the whole job as is the chip off the high spots to come within 1/8" flat.< chineese slate......
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Yeah I know, she just called. (it's amazing how I can sleep and type at the same time isn't it?)
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