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Unread 01-09-2011, 06:20 AM   #106
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So were you saying that you don't think the color consistency is good because what you just used doesn't match what you used in '08? I don't know but I would guess that might be because it's two different grouts.
My reference is to the words on the container "unmatched color consistency," forgive me if I am wrong but that caught my eye. I am not saying the color consistency isn't good, .... how can they make that claim. What test did they do to compare, is that backed by a test by the TCNA? Color consistency is important as is longevity. To say "Superior" I can accept, but "Unmatched" is a far fetch with so many other grouts out there. Claims are one thing, I would want some kind of unbiased test could there be such a thing

Yes companies pay to have they're grouts tested but is there one where they go head to head. I would like to see one, would the companies that make grout want that?

The TCNA has the test for deflection and many other things. With deflection being so important and how a tile is rated so to speak for residential or commercial strength why isn't there a test for grout. Grout is an important part of the mix of doing tile work, it should be tested. Maybe it already is and I just don't know it. Grout is taken for granted as for installing it to finish up a tile job but look around here on the forum of how many problems are related to "grout."

We take grouting for granted till it is a problem.

If there are not tests done to back up this up then I have to go by my own experience with it. Like Matt said, it is Super Premium when installed correctly, period. As for back in 2008, it was product failure because tis grout was installed correctly but still kinda new on the market and had to be tweeked.

StarQuartz II is a grout you cannot got too much water into the mix when you are grouting or you weaken it. Other grouts(cement based) are a lil more forgiving. Common sense would tell you with any grout you use the more water you get into it the more you weaken it. But the problem is with "Common Sense," according to that joke in the "jokes thread" posted by Henry, Common Sense passed away, we will miss him....lol

In this case, the reason the same grout color was used and same kind was to try and match it if I didn't get it all out. I got most of it. Not my choice a grout but hey as mentioned we all have our fave, I will try any brand once.
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Unread 02-06-2011, 08:13 PM   #107
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Looked at a job today. Exterior. Now granted there are other issues, but Star Quartz is breaking down. It turns to mush in your hand.
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Unread 02-06-2011, 09:13 PM   #108
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Did you install it?
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Unread 02-07-2011, 12:46 AM   #109
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but Star Quartz is breaking down. It turns to mush in your hand.
Installed incorrectly.
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Unread 02-07-2011, 05:21 AM   #110
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Did you install it?
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Probably. But its over a year old. What would cause it to breakdown, if it can be used in wet areas. Cold?
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Unread 02-07-2011, 06:30 AM   #111
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John- urethane materials are a staple in the roofing world, I think that their ability to stand up to the weather is pretty accepted. Yes, this grout is a different product. Was it given the proper cure time before exposure to the weather? Over washed? You mentioned that the deck had "other issues".

So did these other issues contribute to the grout problem? We don't have that information, but we know you are biased against the product so.........

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Unread 02-07-2011, 06:52 AM   #112
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Gueuze,

Not against the grout. I just think it shouldn't have been used in this particular application. I don't know how it was applied. And I really don't know the make up of the product. The only thing that peaked my curiosity was the fact its dissolving.

I believe if it was regular polymer grout it would have just flaked out. Correct?
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Unread 02-07-2011, 07:09 AM   #113
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It's falling apart because either the urethane binder was pulled out from over-washing or it wasn't kept mixed uniformly during the application process or it wasn't cured properly (or a combination).

The stuff isn't rocket science to install. If you're inattentive with it though, it will have problems ... Just like being inattentive with epoxy will result in residue everywhere that is pretty much permanent if not addressed, or inattentive with cement grout and having color issues, or inattentive with waterproofing and having water management failures, etc, etc, etc
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Unread 02-07-2011, 08:54 PM   #114
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Unread 02-08-2011, 05:23 AM   #115
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Matt,

I am sure your right. Being that the whole deck is a complete re do and installed incorrectly. Your probably correct in your assumptions.
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Unread 02-08-2011, 08:27 AM   #116
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Yeah, if it wasn't kept dry for at least 7 days as well it would've been compromised.
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I've used a bunch on floors. Works great as long if you read bucket. Seem a little high on price vs spectra locke.

It seem to slack with 1/4 joints, when I set nominal tile on walls.
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Graham- 1/4" joints on walls? ummmm....

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I don't draw the prints...
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1/4"? Commercial?

3/16" joints make me violent ... Forget quarter.
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