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Unread 12-21-2018, 07:30 PM   #16
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"Using a pre-made shower pan is faster, but more expensive, and requires a pretty flat and level subfloor."

I think this is the way I would like to go. I looked at the 'plastic shower" inserts at HD and just decided I wanted to take it up several notches.

What I desire is a tiled shower on 3/4 of the walls and the entire floor. I am thinking the ridge just on the edge of it which I think is made with a couple of 2x4's. Then I would run the tile out into the area is with the vanity.

I would add 3/4" plywood throughout the room. Center the shower drain.

Now what? I mean, what goes on the floor to allow it to be tiled? Do shower pans get installed and then tiled on top of them and up the wall? or is there some molded concrete that is poured, and then tile placed on it?

If this is too 'dumb' a question I understand. I can probably do my homework and find this already answered on the Internet.

Thank you for the tip on the hot shower issue. The shower head from day one as been that restricted. Figured it was way for us to 'save' water.
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Unread 12-22-2018, 07:14 AM   #17
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Thomas, spend a few minutes reading this thread...

https://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin...d.php?t=126647
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Unread 12-22-2018, 08:24 AM   #18
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Thank you. That link is perfect. He is in the same place I am.! What to do!
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Unread 12-22-2018, 08:46 AM   #19
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As I read the other thread and this one and look at all the possibilities in the next few days in detail, I have one question I would love to know.

In any method for the shower system, mud, insert, Kerdi, etc., does any method prevent me from going ahead and putting in my 3/4" plywood subfloor back in the bathroom?

Right now I only have 1/2" plywood separating me and my crawlspace and its getting pretty cold this time of year. And I could install it and feel like I am still making progress.

But I would only want to do this if any method I choose for the shower system isn't impacted by installing the subfloor.
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Technically, no - nothing in the way of installing the 3/4" ply ontoppa the 1/2" ply.

IF you're certain of how you want to construct the shower, and if you've already noodled out any floor height issues.
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Unread 12-23-2018, 08:17 AM   #21
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Yes, looks like I am going with a shower pan installation using KBRS Tile-Basin.

I think it seems to offer something I can do without the learning curve of some of the other options. And I can still have my tile floor.

It looks like it sits right on top of 3/4" plywood flooring per this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08CTgbgAw0Y
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While I've not used one of those it appears the only real advantage is the built in curb. All the rest of the install requires steps similar, if not exactly, like other systems.

It still requires that the subfloor be flat and level. If the SF isn't flat and level you'll have to resolve that first.
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Unread 12-23-2018, 12:29 PM   #23
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As I watched the video it seemed a lot simpler to me. No "mud" to have to tapper out and then do again; no liner to install, etc. It appears to me to almost be like one of those 'plastic' liners only it accommodates tile.

I just checked my subfloor and the bubble is in the center in every direction. Few places I need to put some leveling compound just because the edges of adjourning boards dip a bit.

Between some of that, roofing felt, and 3/4" plywood, I think I should have a very even, smooth surface. Do I have any of this wrong in suggesting I am good on this front?

The individual who did my last tile job {comments on this forum too} where I did all the prep work, suggested the above product. Shared it was discussed positively on this forum. The tile job in my other bathroom he did looks great, though in the room I put in a bathtub.

I was starting to lean toward one of those Boatz shower liners (they are steel). Seemed more ridged and offered better support than those 'plastic' ones. But I am on this forum because I do want to learn and find a happy medium between what the Pro's do {and can do because they are pro's} and what realistically I can do myself as someone who does this once or twice in their life.

All advice is appreciated and I am grateful for.
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Unread 12-28-2018, 08:02 AM   #24
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Go 2 inches more or not?

One of my wife's observations is on whether to make the new shower 2inches wider than original tub. Our tub was 30" and the wall measures exactly 32".

It would "appear" to me we could go with a 32" shower pan, insert, or what have you and gain 2 inches.

My wife tends to think that may cause other problems for doing the tile work at the corner. I can see it would put the shower and eventual doors 2 inches more towards the toilet.

Anyone have any suggestions on whether I should stick with 30" or go for the 32?"

The picture shows the location prior to removal and the gap along the back way giving 2inches or so of space.
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Hi Thomas, you will need a curb which if you can picture would be from the tub to the corner of the wall. So you would gain a little space.
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Unread 12-28-2018, 04:45 PM   #26
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I am not following your answer above unfortunately.

I will need a curb, so are we saying because of that I should go with a 30" wide shower base? Like the old tub was even though the wall partition is 32" before is angles 90 degrees as pictured above?

I spent all day in my crawlspace replacing the ductwork and re-arranging it so I have a clear pathway now to the center area where the shower base will be. {For a center drain.}

In the latter, I believe I am going to go with just the tiles on the walls and floor and forgo tiling the shower base itself.

Leaning towards one of those acrylic ones. Any recommendations?
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One thing to keep in mind is code with regards to the toilet...code requires a minimum of 15" either side of the toilet centerline to obstructions. SO, you need to be careful about expanding the shower or possibly moving the toilet.

When they talk about the width of the shower with a premade pan, it may not include the width of the curb which at a minimum tends to be at least a few inches, and is usually more.
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Good point. I am not moving the toilet, no place for it to go {unless outside. :-)

Looks like I'll be going then with 30" x 60".
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That's 15 inches on center to the glass, not the curb.

You can use foam to make your curb as narrow as possible. We often use 2 inch wide foam stood on edge to make out curbs.

You can also set the shower glass on the edge of the curb and not in the middle of the curb if you need the room.
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Plywood or Backer Board flooring

This was brought to my attention in a few readings. I assumed using 3/4 plywood as in my last tiled bathroom was the given. But is putting something like Hardie Board on the floor instead the better choice?

Right now my subfloor is 1/2 plywood. I know 1/2 plywood is not much. I've added some supportive framing underneath where I felt it needed it.

In the other bathroom over the 3/4 plywood the tiller used Strata Mat by Laticreate. Seems solid. No issues since 2015.

Is their a preference to use Backer Board on the floor and not just the shower walls? Or is 3/4 plywood just as accepted?

Thank you. Any special details to note if Backer Board is the way to go,?
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