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Old 01-01-2014, 11:03 AM   #1
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Need help with shower re-build.

Hi just started my second BR remodel project. I was hoping to get by with using a pre-made shower pan and then tiling the walls and ceiling. The rough dimensions are 37L x 34 W, and the opening is 24". The sink goes just a few inches to the right of the opening so I cant open it much more. Would it be possible to use a pre made pan in this situation? It seems like generally the doors are the entire length of the threshold with pre made pans.
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Maybe give us more hints about what you have in mind as a "pre-made shower pan," Brihen.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:59 AM   #3
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Hi Brihen, I'm not a premade base expert but I can't say if I have ever seen one the exact shape as your shower. And, if there is one, I'm not sure how you would get it dropped into place. The bases that I've seen has the curb the full length of the front so it will slide in place.

Some of the premade shower bases are pretty expensive. With a little more work, you could have a traditional pan liner and tile or a Kerdi shower built. We have enough help here to answer any questions you may have along the way.
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A pan like this.

The problem is there is no lip along the front, and I have about 9" of wall next to the sink. Along the right front edge of the threshold.
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Old 01-01-2014, 12:27 PM   #5
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I have thought about a custom and tiled base, but they seem pretty intimidating.
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Old 01-01-2014, 01:21 PM   #6
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Yes, that base isn't big enough to cover your floor due to the 9 inches of wall space you are talking about.

There are many different approved installation methods and they all work if they are done right. Do a little searching and reading here and figure out which one you want to do. For starters, look at the "shower construction info" thread in the "liberry". Tons of info and pics for the traditional pan liner method.

As long as you post pics of your progress and ask plenty of questions, we can help you each step of the way and keep you from making costly mistakes. The traditional pan liner method is probably a little more work but the materials are cheaper than the Kerdi or Wedi built showers. But they all will work if installed properly.
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custom base install.

So it sounds like a custom install would work best if I can pull it off. Kerdi seems pretty popular way to go on this board. Would that work with an interior 37L x 34W dimension rough opening? Can it be made to any size?
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There web site says "The Schluter-KERDI-SHOWER-KIT is an all inclusive package containing each of the components required to create a maintenance-free, watertight shower assembly without a mortar bed."
It comes in 48x48". Can these be cut to size?
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Yes, it can be cut down to the size you need. You can save some money by mudding the floor yourself instead of using the preformed floor. That's up to you.
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If you're gonna go with the Kerdi, it would be a good investment to buy Johns Kerdi Ebook.
http://www.tileyourworld.com/catalog...9781f9d95124a5
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Thanks, and if I go that route I will pick that book up. I need to learn more about kerdi. I have also been thinking of building one up with mud, like it was. I have been looking at videos on line, and some show putting a liner right over a wood sub floor and then slopping mud to the drain and tiling ( which is what I had in my 1970 or so BR). Others put a base of mud over the wood and then liner and then slope mud and tile. How would you do it?
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I do have some rotten wood I will have to replace once I am done gutting.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:43 PM   #14
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The mud bed that's under the pan liner is what we call the preslope. Doesn't look like your shower had one, very few we tear out do. The preslope gives the liner pitch to the drain so when moisture gets down there, it can find it's way to the drain's weepholes. Your pan was sitting flat on the wood floor. You might not have had a musty, mildew smell in your shower but some folks do when there is no preslope under the liner. The water becomes stagnant without a preslope. Yes, it's important and needs to be done.

Of course, if you go with Kerdi, there's only one mud bed.
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I highly recommend the KERDI method. A traditionally built shower with pre-slope, liner and mud bed will work, but the KERDI method doesn't even allow the water to go below the bottom of the tile, so to me it seems like a no brainer. Either way, though, you'll find advocates of both methods and we'll all help along the way.
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