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Unread 01-15-2021, 10:41 PM   #31
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Thanks cx.

That is what I was worried about. Since I am doing a random plank pattern the movement joint across the pattern seems almost impossible to do. It would zigzag all over. Or is there something else I’m missing to accomplish this? I’m using 3/16” spacers if that makes any difference.

I was hoping I could get away with one long movement joint instead since it would follow the grout line.

There is not much sunlight and no moisture issues typically.
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There is not much sunlight and no moisture issues typically.
Operative word there is typically. And you are in a basement.

The efficacy of a sawtooth joint in a random layout of plank-style tiles is controversial, Dan. You can certainly do it if you want, and it certainly won't hurt, but it won't be as effective as would a straight joint.

We can't guarantee failure any more than we can guarantee success, we can only tell you what the tile industry standards recommend and where the smart money will be betting. Nobody likes to see movement accommodation joints in their new tile installation, but nobody likes to see tenting in their older tile installation, either. Those who have a failure wish they had installed the joints; those who don't have a failure are glad they didn't.

You pays your money and you takes your chances.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Unread 01-16-2021, 11:01 PM   #33
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Thanks a ton CX!
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Unread 01-17-2021, 06:01 AM   #34
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I’d cut a joint into your pattern/layout to accommodate the saw cut, will be less hassle and as CX pointed out much more effective as an expansion joint opposed to sill zig zagging.
Here’s one where we used Schluter over an exterior patio, these had tooled joints so we went with a wide profile. Your saw cut (1/8” or 3/16” wide joint) will be much less noticed.
Almost as old as my youngest now (3yrs.) H.O. had me out last summer for a BBQ and Tile hasn’t decided to pop of yet...lol
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Unread 01-18-2021, 07:43 PM   #35
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Thanks Chris.

I guess I’ll tile without movement joints and then decide to saw cut after in straight lines against my pattern. I honestly think I will lean towards not adding center movement joints at all at this point. I don’t like the way that looks across the pattern because of the obvious- ness of the disruption. You’re work looks very nice though.

Glazed Porcelain tile, basement location with minimal sun exposure, no moisture issues, with crack prevention membrane and good modified thin set. I’m debating but leaning towards rolling the dice.
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Dan, have you ever done even a rudimentary moisture vapor emissions rate test (MVER) on that basement floor? Such as taping down 2x2-foot squares of six mil polyethylene sheeting for a few days?
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Unread 01-18-2021, 08:29 PM   #37
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I don’t know for sure. I can’t remember. I believe I did before I laid the jif-set.

I have a painted laundry room floor right outside the back green door for about 8 years now and it has not come up at all and still in good shape. I did the plastic square test here I remember for sure. I added anti slip additive and happy with the adherence. This is in an area that some times gets above leaks from the faucet and clothes washers.

Also I did not paint a primer coat. Cleaned with tsp and rinsed well. Then laid the paint mixed with anti slip.
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Well, I finally am continuing on this project after some delays.

Thanks to everyone for the help and advice, it has helped a lot as I stumble through this.

These large tiles get heavy towards the end of the day. Lol. It has proven to be difficult to follow the grid line. I thought I was doin a much better job, but evidently not. I don’t think I can fix it at this point but that’s ok. As long as the grout lines are straight the wife will be happy.

Question: I am mixing tiles from different boxes and inspect each one for damage before backbuttering. I am finding there is a light dust on the thin set side of the tile if I swipe my finger across it. I am wiping this dust off with a damp sponge prior to backbuttering. Is this ok?

I’m very, very happy I bought the rigid suction cups. They have saved my azz.
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It's more than ok to remove the dust, possible kiln release from the back of those tiles, Dan, it's a must really.

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Thank you Dan!!
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Thought I’d show some more progress. I messed up in several spots but happy with the overall effort.

I have lost 10 lbs so far during this project. I will never ‘F$#@‘ with a tile setter after this experience. Lol.
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Bravo Dan! Keep on trucking, it’s coming together. No matter the setter, it’s one tile at a time. It looks good man, seems ya picked up tileguy profanity dialect
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Haha. Thanks Chris!! My hats off to you pros.

I’m jumpin ahead of myself but quick questions if you don’t mind. When you cut in your movement joints after you finished tiling, what saw did you use, what thickness blade did you need and how in the heck did you keep those straight?

Best I can come up with is somehow using a straight edge and hand held wet saw with whatever blade I need. Or, renting something at a HD like a walk behind saw or whatnot.

I now prefer to cut movement joints like you and cx said. Too much invested in this floor to take yet another chance.
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I know you don't wanna hear it now, but I'd recommend you build that joint while laying the tiles. Fasten a straight-edge across the room where the joint should be, tile to the straight-edge, remove the straight-edge and continue tiling, leaving an appropriate joint where the straight-edge was.

You might could get by with only an eight-inch, but if I were going to the trouble I think I'd want more than that and I don't know a good way to saw cut something wider.

Thought you were fixin' to put a joint in the other direction in line with your support posts. Not so?

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