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Unread 01-18-2010, 10:07 AM   #31
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well in that case luke, go put it back in the van until your demo is done. Thats way to nice of a hammer to be doing tear out with, and Ive seen a few break when using them for chores other then driving nails.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 10:19 AM   #32
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Unread 01-18-2010, 12:59 PM   #33
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i know this isn't kosher

but, if your thinset is dry, sink some screws into the "hardi" prefloat --
to be sure it's completely secure . . .make sure the heads are flush!! Block stud cavities -- Use a traditional pan liner(40 mil) Install your backerboard / float your pan and curb (per the many directions here on the forums) wait 3 days and coat the entire substrate with hydroban or redguard --

I think that will work fine . . . It's just a prefloat for pete's sake.

A non-traditional approach, but you can make it work, I don't think there is any
need to tear it out as long as it's rock solid and has pitch.

As far as the next phase you described . . . bag that and do it right

I should remind you that if you are unfamiliar or uncomfortable floating
a mud pan . . . practice and do the research first
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Unread 01-18-2010, 01:15 PM   #34
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I dunno know Stephen. Think about this. Thinset usually has a recommended maximum thickness, and I'd think Luke might be pushing that around the edges. Your trying to soundly bond two materials that are extremely thirsty and somewhere in the sandwich I'd imagine there are places with voids/air bubbles, so he's creating some instability in the structure. If it's pitched correctly the screws would have to be on an angle, voiding their use as a sheer stabilizer. Even if he taped the seams, I'd also guess he's creating places for separation by using a sheet good. I don't know how to figure this sandwich for psi strength, but I assume mud would be much better. I didn't even mention the drain connection, but I think that was mentioned above.
There are lots of assumptions, guesses, and thinking on my part of this, mainly because there is no data to back it up. Better to drop back and punt IMO.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 04:20 PM   #35
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I'd rip it out and do a Kerdi shower, particularly if it was my own house.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 07:08 PM   #36
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Unread 01-18-2010, 07:11 PM   #37
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Unread 01-18-2010, 07:35 PM   #38
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Jeremy, the handle breaks all the time, I keep several in the van.

Stephen, I like what you're saying, but I'm not sure...Sounds like whiskey business....Hehehehe....Still not sure what I'm going to do, probably tear it out.

Brad, if I am sure of one thing, it is that there is not a single void under the hardi in the pan. I slopped a bunch around on the plywood, and back-buttered each piece of hardi before putting it down and wiggling it around and pushing on it.

Anyway, that doesn't matter because I'm pretty sure I should listen on this one and tear it out.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 07:39 PM   #39
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I like wood and general remodel too...

But tearing it out and starting over is a good idea. Floating a pan is really pretty easy especially if you check out everything on this site.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 08:12 PM   #40
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Meh, I'm thinking along the lines of Pooky (stephen). It's a preslope, it's cement, it works. Move on and do something different next time. I'm not down with the rest of your initial plan though.

You have a great project there! I love absolute chaos, where everything needs to be replaced (no offense). It reminds me of my first house. sold that for 4x what I paid, took 4 years though, not 1 like my plan.

Good luck with your project
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Unread 01-18-2010, 08:53 PM   #41
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NONE TAKEN!!

This house needs everything, except a water heater and furnace, which is why I could afford it. Plumbing is done, save the pan. Wednesday I'll be framing the kitchen ceiling and replacing a couple of windows. Starting electrical next week(I expect to learn alot there), then getting everything inspected so I can start closing it back up.

Getting a sweet deal on cabs and counters from a company for which I used to work's old showroom.
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Unread 01-18-2010, 09:58 PM   #42
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I'll give you credit for thinking out of the box. Now do it one of the tried and true ways as suggested above.:
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Unread 01-18-2010, 10:11 PM   #43
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Luke,

After seeing the construction zone, I suggest you give your wife a huge kiss and never divorce that woman. Any gal who can put up with that is worth her weight in gold. She was your first lucky find.
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I have nothing against wood guys. I'm just jealous of the skilled ones who REALLY know how to put up crown and the like.
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Unread 01-19-2010, 05:44 PM   #45
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Thanks Dan. I will, no worries.

Yeah Cabot and Rowe, she is a great one, and for more than just that reason. She's already stayed with me when I was in sickness, and for poorer, and that was before we even got married, things can only get better from here on out.

Crestone, not sure I'm REALLY good, but I refuse to use wood putty, and I always cope rather than miter. Unlike those commercial guys......I didn't know it was sold by the gallon......
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