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Old 11-22-2018, 09:19 PM   #3046
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I use roofing nails but staples may work too. I run the head of the hammer along the edge of the stud to make a crease in the lath. It will tighten the lath and also set the lath back a little in the stud bay. This is especially helpful when you're trying to keep the scratch coat as thin as possible.
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Old 11-24-2018, 06:54 PM   #3047
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Hot new item from Laticrete (IMO)
Finally got my hands on some.

Hydroban quick cure
No need to wait to waterproof.

Floated yesterday, waterproofed today. Tile ready in 30min(ish)
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Old 11-24-2018, 06:57 PM   #3048
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I had three of those to float yesterday, only got two. Mixer broke down, some other issues ate up several hours.

Bleh! Canít win them all.
I really wanted to get 3 ina day, would have been a record for me. Not meant to be this time.

Floated the third today while I did the waterproofing on the other two
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:18 PM   #3049
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Looking sharp John, I saw Customs had a fast setting red guard too that was a no wait waterproofing.

Glad the products are being made for contractors timing and speed.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:45 AM   #3050
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Hydroban and RedGard are both great products. Just want to mention that Mapei has one also: Mapelasticô AquaDefense dries in under an hour.
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:17 PM   #3051
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This isnít Hydroban.

Itís Hydroban quick cure. Itís a new product that can be applied to mud as soon as itís firm enough.

Thereís no more need to wait for several days for the moisture to come out of the mud.

Iíve used lots of Hydroban in the past, this is a different product
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:26 PM   #3052
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Maybe Iím behind in my knowledge of the other brands.

Last I remember, going back a few years, all these liquid applied waterproofing products required several days of cure time over mud before being applied.

Maybe thatís not the case anymore?
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:51 PM   #3053
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No I do think they have recently made a quick set version of their products that, like you've said can be applied to fresh mud. I saw a ad on the forum this year about the "rapid set red guard" read into it and it seemed great. Supposedly covered more with less product as well. Don't think I've seen a Mapei line of rapid waterproofing yet.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:55 PM   #3054
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There’s Redgard Speedcoat, which is also pretty new. But it still calls for new concrete to have a day of curing at spec’d temp ranges. I don’t know if fat mud needs more / less time than concrete.

John - does Laticrete offer any input or guidelines as to the following:

“Over newly installed mortar beds, allow mortar bed to sufficiently set firm before application so that the top layer of the mortar bed is not damaged”

Does it have to withstand indentation by finger pressure? By point load? Withstand being abraded by a rub stone? Etc, etc.
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Old 11-27-2018, 08:45 PM   #3055
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I canít speak for Laticrete obviously, but in my experience with the product itís quite thick and sticky.
Iíd prefer to wait until the next day to apply it.

If one was to roll the product over a fresh bed I think the roller would pull the mud apart.
They also came out with a rapid setting mortar bed for shower pans as well. I doubt Iíll use that personally, Iím happy enough with my own brew.

I believe using their rapid mortar bed and quick cure Hydroban you could in theory float a pan and waterproof/flood test it in a day.
Iíd have to look into it more to be sure, but I believe thatís the idea.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:30 PM   #3056
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So this curious fellow had a previous memory come up today, and since I've remembered it for the whole day to ask on here I'm doing pretty good.

When I was coming up in the trade I remember a guy explain to me having to float out circular pillars. He explained something about some hose riding screeds up to cut the mud but I don't remember exactly. How would one float out a circular column or pillar? Semi circle plywood jig?


Which also reminds me, floating out porthole windows. Last time I saw one done was with a plywood jig....
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Old 12-07-2018, 07:54 AM   #3057
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I advise all tile setters to get themselves to Coverings. It's the only place I know where you can get up close and personal to all the products mentioned here and a lot more. Most of the major setting materials companies are grouped fairly close together at the show. A couple days at the show will open your eyes.
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Old 12-07-2018, 10:42 AM   #3058
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Justin, I can't ever remember mudding a column, only radius walls in showers. I would do it like you explained, run your sticks vertically and have a plywood jig on a half circle for cutting the mud.

On the first shower I did that had a half circle wall (many moons ago), I soaked my sticks and placed them horizontally. I cut a piece of 3/4 inch thick foam insulation board with the correct radius to set the sticks in the mud. Once set, I drove a nail at the end of the sticks to keep them from popping out. Then I run my straight edge vertically. Kind of a pain so since then I've cut the plywood jig.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:28 PM   #3059
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I did sticks and jig including some of those fancy bases. We use to make some crazy jigs just for fun, like a cornice. But, I was a lot younger.
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