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Unread 11-30-2007, 01:05 AM   #1
Eric Philson
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Need help from fabricators

I've recently started installing tops for a start up fabricator. The shop is owned by two really great guys and I'm doing all I can to help them along. They are really conscientious and are putting out reasonably solid workmanship but are still determined to improve. I think they are a little off on their pricing and am hoping some of you guys will offer some advice. First off, they are trying to stay below Home Depot's prices. I don't think they should. Here are the details of a recent install that can serve as a sample for you to pick apart.

kitchen: 33 sq ft. Giallo Veneziano. 3 pieces consisting of one large L butting into the stove. This piece contains the sink. No seam. A 2 footer on the other side of the stove (free standing). A three footer across the room. 16 feet of Ogee edge and two polished ends. 24 feet of 4" splash (6 pieces).

20 sq ft. Island using Forest Green marble w/ 18 feet of ogee edge. One long side has a "claw" at each end. The other long side is a continuous radius.

Upstairs: two vanities, same Giallo. One three footer, one four footer. 14 sq. ft. total. Porcelain oval bowls. 4 pieces of 4" splash.

I think their number should fall between $3,950 and $4,350. This would include Tear-out of formica tops, luan templates, Materials and labor for fabrication, Stainless double sink, two porcelain bowls, installation of tops and sinks. Job is 57 miles from shop. This comes out between $74.50 and $82.00 a sq. ft.


Am I high, low or just right?

I certainly am a lot less qualified to assess the the price of this job than some folks around here are, so any and all input is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Unread 11-30-2007, 08:30 AM   #2
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You are in the right ball park.
I charge about 65 a ft on 2 cm (installed) and about 80 for 3 cm.
Also depend on the material, options etc aka undermount sink, faucet holes
type of edge etc.The price above are for a eased edge.

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Unread 11-30-2007, 08:48 AM   #3
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Where I am it ranges between 60 and 80 depending on which granite they pick.
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Unread 11-30-2007, 03:35 PM   #4
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Thanks for replying guys.
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Unread 11-30-2007, 08:53 PM   #5
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Hey Eric,

I do not know where you are located in the countryside ,but here in the NE you are a little low on the pricing. Also I do understand about just starting up and wanting to stay low in price, In the same breath I'm going to say, " People (no matter where you are) will pay for Quality" If the workmanship is quality they should have no problems. Don't worry about the big box stores they cannot come close to the level of customer service that us little guys can. Tell your friends to stick to quality and service and the price will come. Regards and good luck Gately
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Unread 11-30-2007, 09:05 PM   #6
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gately,
we're in Western PA. I'm not sure if we can draw quite the numbers you can over there, but maybe we can. In fact, I know we can in the Pittsburgh market. We also work the easten Ohio market which is a little tougher IMO. Their actual numbers are lower than my suggested numbers. They just shouldn't try to play ball With HD or dwell in that niche. I'm putting out this feeler to try to help them see where everyone in the custom shop arena is pricing. Thanks for the input.
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Unread 11-30-2007, 10:25 PM   #7
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I sell and install slab here in the mountains. Our housing market is still fairly strong.
Fabricators charge me

slab cost + 10%

cut fee $ 12 per sq. ft.

Standard edge $28 per linear foot (E&p, full bullnose, half bullnose etc.)

Add $15 for ogee

Kitchen sink cutout $350 Bathroom $175

Don't forget polish for splash, usually $15-20

Add on your installation. Most installers in this area doing piece work get about $15 sq. ft.

A site visit really helps to anticipate problems. I hate seams but some tops cannot be in stalled in one piece.

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Unread 11-30-2007, 11:59 PM   #8
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Thanks Gary, that's great info. does $15 install labor include templating and tearout, or basic install only?
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Unread 12-01-2007, 09:05 PM   #9
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That price would not include tear out, I would charge tear out and haul away by the hour.
It would include templating.
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Unread 12-04-2007, 08:58 PM   #10
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Here in Dallas I am paying $25.sq ft for fab and install with 4 or 5 standard edges, $175 for u/m sinks. The granite slab material starts at $10. sq ft.
There is a ton of competition here.
Hey Gary are you getting any snow yet?
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Unread 12-05-2007, 12:26 AM   #11
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Snow has been late coming. November was very dry. First major snow was this last weekend, weatherman says more starting wednesday night.

Most of the slabs that customers have been picking out lately are in the $22-$30 range plus fab. I am just about to start installing a Kitchen that I bid for $24500.

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Unread 12-05-2007, 05:17 AM   #12
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Hi Eric,

Pennsylvania is quite competitive. Your friends should be able to do it for around Depot's pricing.

If you like, call me, I've sent you the number and we can go over the parameters.

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