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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:09 PM   #3901
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Too many H joints and close joints for me Rick. Gotta space those out more.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:17 PM   #3902
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very nice jason, rick, and john
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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:17 PM   #3903
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Too many H joints and close joints for me Rick. Gotta space those out more.

Sorry boss. I forgot you were the one paying me.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:22 PM   #3904
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You have no problem dishing out constructive criticism. If you can't take it yourself, maybe you should quit dishing it out. If your installing a tile job to look like a wood floor then you should follow the rules of laying a hardwood floor and avoid the close joints and H joints.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:27 PM   #3905
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No I can take it but when your told to install something a certain way you do it. And if you space em out, then it looks like running bond which the homeowner did not want, but you were there while I layed the floor out and you knew that already. When every tiles the same size the pattern will always stay that way, unlike hardwood which comes in a millions sizes you do have to worry about joints being close in every other row. Yeah I explained that to the guy but he didn't mind that, but you knew that cause you were there with me while I layed it.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:48 PM   #3906
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Unread 02-25-2010, 09:49 PM   #3907
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I think it looks good I know those type floors can be a PITA when the floor isn't flat. It's a good thing you floated yours.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 10:12 PM   #3908
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H joints in yellow, close joints in red. With a 24 inch tile you can do a set of three starters. If you do two sets of starters with different sizes in each set you shouldn't get any sort of repeat until 6 rows later which is plenty of space to avoid a patterned look. Let's say you do 2 sets at 24,14,8,23,16,7 that would give you six random starters that do not repeat, look random because the differences between the boards are different (not just 6 inches off of each to make it look like a set of stairs) and are spaced far enough apart to avoid H joints and close joints. Just use full tiles at your cut ends and use the cut offs as starters. Keep them in order and you have no problems.

The six cut offs from your first set of starters should be set aside until you get to the last six rows. Then you can use these to make your final cuts since yo don't need any more starters. The only waste you will have is a couple inches off those last 6 pieces and whatever rips you have on the wall.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 10:46 PM   #3909
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Heres a pic of a bathroom we are doing, again. Two weeks ago I installed 12x12 with a joint shy of 3/16". Homeowner was not happy. Apparently him, builder and decorator decided to have the tile (normal ungauged 12x12) installed with a 1/8" or smaller joint. Only problem was nobody informed the tileman. I must have missed the mind reader class the NTCA gives. After tile is in, I am then informed. HO wants small joint for cleaning less area to get stained. I tell builder we can do Spectralock and his concerns are settled. Builder likes idea, says he will pay for it and go talks to HO. I get a call that says install the Spectralock. That stuff rocks. I submit bill and get paid. A week later I get a phone call that says we have a new tile selection for this project. I am like wtf? Builder says HO still not happy and builder agrees to replace floor, at builders expense. Have I mentioned I really do like working with this builder. Now the tile man is asked what ideas on giving the smallest and fewest grout joints. I suggest a rectified porcelain (easy maintenance and true sizing) and mention going larger than a 12x12. I get an email from builder that says to order tile. He gives me the part number for AO, HP92. I order the tile, it comes in, we drop the other job (same builder different project) and go install the new HP 92 in a 24x24. We get all 110 ft2 in and are loading the truck when the builder stops by. He comes back out and ask what kind of a sick joke am I playing on him. I look at him confused He tells me the tile is supposed to be HP92. I get a box and show him it is HP 92. He goes and gets his sample and I see the problem. The HP92 I installed looks like white carrara. His HP92 looks like jerusalum gold. uh-oh. Come to find out, his sample is HP90 and is labeled wrong. This morning we removed the floor, scrapped the tile and floor clean of thinset. Glad thinset drys slow under big porcelain with little joints. So, the new tile is supposed to be here first of next week. Sam and I saved the cuts to mark the new tile with and some good reference points to start the new floor at. I bet the third time goes the fastest. What a week!

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Unread 02-25-2010, 11:39 PM   #3910
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Looks good, Greg. At least you're not seven days behind on a 7 day job like me.
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Unread 02-25-2010, 11:54 PM   #3911
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or a hack like Rick making H joints. lol
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Unread 02-26-2010, 12:04 AM   #3912
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re post!>>

the job rick did seems to be a topic of great discussion..yes it is tile not hardwood,yes the customer is always right,and yes they were all one size..but as professionals we have to stick to guidelines set by each individual association or group of floor covering...cfi is carpet,carpet and rug institute is carpet pad and carpet standards,wfca is all flooring carpet,vinyls and commercial flooring and finally nwfa is for wood flooring ONLY..so to my point,the wood tile is to resemble wood,your customer picked that material for that reason so the same technique that is used for wood flooring installation should have been used above anything that the customer wanted..and not all wood floor is random width,bamboo is 4 feet long and some wood sold by lumbers is 7 feet long..i agree with Sean "Too many H joints and close joints for me Rick. Gotta space those out more.
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"If you've ever looked carefully at a well-laid hardwood floor, you'll quickly notice that no two boards line up at the ends. If it's been done right, no two boards will even be within six inches or so of lining up, and there will be no other discernible pattern either. Randomness of the seams is part of the classic look of a hardwood floor, and it also contributes to the strength of the floor's structure. Your planks will come in several lengths to ensure you never have to line up the ends"
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Unread 02-26-2010, 01:25 AM   #3913
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I get a box and show him it is HP 92. He goes and gets his sample and I see the problem. The HP92 I installed looks like white carrara. His HP92 looks like jerusalum gold. uh-oh. Come to find out, his sample is HP90 and is labeled wrong. per Greg Hiens
Thats why I dont buy tile or grout in my bids. Hammy
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Unread 02-26-2010, 05:55 AM   #3914
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The tile store is being real good about it. They ordered the correct tile and are paying for the direct freight instead of waiting for regular delivery. Also I have an invoice for time and material tk take to tile store. They are going to cut me a check today.
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Unread 02-26-2010, 06:13 AM   #3915
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Holy smokes! I hope I never get that wood look a like crap. And sure won't post it here.

Wasted good TLS on having to tear out and redo. I didn't know there was still such a thing as a builder.
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