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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:14 PM   #1
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Miracle Cover

hey guys just had the folks at Jerry the Tile guy kerdi proof my shower and now i'm getting to the tile.

I"m using a quartzite tile, and i'm curious if anyone has an experience with Miracle Cover, touted as a superior sealer: water based inorganic silicone rubber emulsion solution...
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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:25 PM   #2
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You mean this stuff:

http://www.miraclecoversd.com/

I've never used it, maybe one of the pros around here has. I'm always skeptical of products that seem over the top in the claims of what their product can do.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:30 PM   #3
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yeah thats the stuff, it was recommended by the Ecohaus, the 'environmental homestore' here in Seattle.

And I guess I should say my concern is that quartzite being pourus the guy at American Slate told me to seal the tile on front and sides prior to setting...i've read a few posts here that say it's not good to do that because the grout might not adhere well to the sides...

So if the shower is Kerdi proof and the stone is pourus how good does the sealing HAVE to be (is it more for preventing the grout from breaking down)?
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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:32 PM   #4
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Hang tight, one of the pros will hopefully chime in.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 04:38 PM   #5
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I haven't used that sealer myself, and don't know what kind of quartzite you have(the softer sedimetary,or harder metamorphised type)but i wouldn't seal the edges.Sealer is basically used to keep a stone from absorbing stains,or for keeping the stone from absorbing water,nothing more.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 05:24 PM   #6
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Thanks for the reply!

I'm not sure, I suppose I could call them, but it looks quite hard here is a link for the tile:
http://www.americanslate.com/natural...nowcapped.aspx
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Unread 11-11-2009, 10:02 PM   #7
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"one product for all your needs"

garbage. plain and simple.

use something easy to deal with like STT SB or Impregnator pro.

stay away from anything that claims it is the only solution or a one size fits all, and stay away from 511 with textured stones.

make it easy on yourself.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 10:51 PM   #8
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What's the deal with 511 on textured stone, Cameron? Haven't ever heard that comment before.
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Unread 11-12-2009, 09:22 AM   #9
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511 is almost never applied correctly and the excess doesn't get wiped off the stone. With textured stone, even more of it gets left behind and the petroleum in the carrier stays on the stone, attracting major dust and dirt. I have seen travertine floors get filthy in 3 months after having someone incorrectly apply 511 where they took 3 years to get that bad before the sloppy sealing job was done.
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Unread 11-12-2009, 10:52 AM   #10
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CX, I'm surprised you would even use anything with the word miracle in it

Yeah, I agree as well with the 511. Most people I know end up screwing it up. Good information there about using it or rather NOT on those types of surfaces, makes good sense to me.........
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Unread 11-12-2009, 12:09 PM   #11
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511 is almost never applied correctly and the excess doesn't get wiped off the stone.
OK, just wanted to be sure it's just an installer error and not a product defect of some sort.
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CX, I'm surprised you would even use anything with the word miracle in it
Actually I don't use the product, Ben.
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Unread 11-12-2009, 07:14 PM   #12
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I wouldnt say 511 is a product defect just a defective product. Attracts dirt even when applied correctly and impossible to get clean.
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Before you go crazy on the sealer thing - it looks like the material will have little to no benefit from being sealed.

Spec Sheet from the manufacturer.

According to them the stone is dense and non-absorbent. Sealing it could cause some major maintenance problems, like sticky sealer residue or "ghost etching" of the sealer that remained on the surface because the stone did not absorb it like the sealer was designed for.

Test a piece of tile for absorption and see if it needs sealing. Don't assume it needs sealing just because it is a natural stone product.
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Unread 11-13-2009, 08:29 PM   #14
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quartzite is a pretty hard, tight-surface stone, very dense. It will absorb enough on the immdeiate surface to allow for color enhancement, but nothing more.

Adriana is right, I doubt you will see a benefit from an impregnating sealer.


Steve nailed in on the head as far as the 511 issues.
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