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Unread 06-14-2008, 01:30 PM   #1
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Need advice with Ditra...

I just laid Schluter Ditra down on a wooden subfloor with versabond and a 1/4 x 1/4 trowell. I pressed down on the entire surface of the ditra with a wood block to help it bond with the thinset and I checked a few edges to make sure it is sticking to the white/felt side (and it was).

I know the directions say you can start laying tile right away but it still feels "wet and squishy" underneath and I am worried it wont set correctly if i start...

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Unread 06-14-2008, 01:58 PM   #2
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Schluter says that you can install tile immediately and I have done so many times. The only problem you will enconter is if you need to lift a tile off the ditra after you have placed it in the thinset, when you go to lift the tile the ditra can tent and lose it's bond from the sub floor. For this reason I like to install the Ditra and let it set then install the tile the next day. This is not always possible though, so just keep that in mind if you need to set the same day.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 02:15 PM   #3
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I agree with Sal.

depending on the size of your area tiled and if it's even worth starting the tile now.
I would probably go a flat trowel and fill the squares now which will help you the day you lay the tile.
in my opinion.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 02:41 PM   #4
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Welcome Pa! 1/4x1/4 trowell??? square notch?? V notch?? new trowell??
Sounds like ya might wana let it set up for a day or so if you used quarter x quarter .
I `d wait no matter I do Ditra often & prefer to set it in speed set thinset over wood substrate & still come back the next day & install .
I`ve had a few issues with regular modified over wood substrate installing ditra 2pm then coming back next morn to install & trying to lift a tile off ditra to reline or replace & the ditra comes detatched from wood substrate. So I use Speed set only now (over wood substrate ) & still come back next day & install.

Not saying anything bad about Ditra fer sure I LOVE THE STUFF!!!!! but it has some idiosyncrasy's like any other products & I`ve found this way the best for me . But quarter x quarter is a bit big ?? so I`d let`r set up a mite.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 02:56 PM   #5
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yep, that trowel put down way too much pookey so I'd definitely wait. You might want to use the extra time to review the installation instructions for Ditra, too.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 03:23 PM   #6
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Thanks for the tips...the one thing new I heard was to fill in the squares with thin set to prep for tiling tomorrow. Should I use versabond again or unmodified thinset?

And while we are on unmodified thinset, the only one Lowes had available was Laticrete Floor Adhesive, is that going to work?

And i guess I should switch trowells too, I have a 1/4 x 3/16 V notch trowell, I probably should have used that under the Ditra, should I stick to that or the 1/4 x 1/4 trowell for using underneath the 13 x 13 ceramic tiles.

This is a great site...you guys saved me from relying on poor Home Depot advice...

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Unread 06-14-2008, 03:44 PM   #7
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I don't bother prefilling the Ditra waffles. 1/4 x 1/4 square notch should be fine for the tiles you've got. I'd set the tiles with the Versabond, its good stuff. It will void any warranty from Schluter, if that is an issue for you then get a decent unmodifed. Kerabond should be available at Lowes. I don't know anything about Laticrete floor adhesive, doesn't sound right to me.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 03:46 PM   #8
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to fill in the squares with thin set to prep for tiling tomorrow. Should I use versabond again or unmodified thinset?
unmodified is what you will use on top, and use it to set your tile...remember your only filling the squares, not leaving any on the top.
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need more detail about this, your not talking about the premixed thinset I hope.
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I have a 1/4 x 3/16 V notch trowel, I probably should have used that under the Ditra, should I stick to that or the 1/4 x 1/4 trowel for using underneath the 13 x 13
the 1/4" x 1/4" will work under your tile.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 03:54 PM   #9
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Laticrete has a bagged thinset called "Floor Adhesive". It's the cheaper unmodified thinset.

Myself, I go against the rules and use modified over Ditra. I do give it a couple days to dry out well.
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The Laticrete Floor Adhesive is a Lowes only product. It looks to be an unmodified thinset but I think you could put it on a par with Custom's customblend. Probably good enough to use to put underneath backerboard but I wouldn't use it to set your tiles. You want a premium unmodifed thinset or , if the warranty isn't of concern use the Versabond. Many folks on here have used Versabond to set their tiles over Kerdi and Ditra. It will work fine.

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Unread 06-14-2008, 03:59 PM   #11
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Thanks Joe and friends, that is the stuff. I think I will keep using versabond and let it dry longer...
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Unread 06-14-2008, 04:01 PM   #12
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the bad key word of that thinset was........ "economical bagged"
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You could try to get Ditra Set from some tile store that might have it near you, It's what I always use.
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Unread 06-14-2008, 08:37 PM   #14
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Or just go back to Lowes & buy Megabond (its un modified by its self )
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