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Unread 02-24-2012, 05:31 PM   #1
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Who here GROUTS changes of PLANE

I've done one bathroom in which I risked it knowing full well that it was a change of plane....and used epoxy grout on that, including the gap between tub and tile. During the 6 years of living there, it never cracked.

Now, I can attest to sanded or unsanded and it easily cracking.....

Pro's - I'm sure you will caulk a customers joint.

IF This was your own place, would you grout it.
For those who have used Urethane Grout, what has you experience been with changes of plane and that said product.
Epoxy, have you even seen it crack.
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Unread 02-24-2012, 06:14 PM   #2
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I've epoxied it on several installations and never had a problem. Doesn't mean I won't - just means I never have.

Don't (yet) use the urethane so I can't speak to the effectiveness. I do remember at one of the NTCA meetings that the issue was brought up about using it in changes of plane as well as expansion joints and none of the reps 'recommended' they be used as such. Don't know that I would in a client's home but I may do it in my own as a science experiment.

Anyone know the elasticity percentage of particular urethanes? Anyone?
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Unread 02-24-2012, 06:17 PM   #3
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Hi Roger -

I've come across your blog here and there while googling on tile related stuff. Keep it up
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Unread 02-24-2012, 06:35 PM   #5
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Hi Alan, I never caulk any change of plane when doing a Kerdi shower (which is only the shower I will do). Never hadda corner crack. I always caulk countertops and the curb to the floor.
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Unread 02-24-2012, 06:38 PM   #6
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Mike, you don't caulk COP because of some property of the Kerdi?

I just finished my Kerdi shower, but have no tile up yet.
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Is there real world answers on the behavioral differences for what type of grout and the effectiveness of it not cracking.

Unsand/Sanded
Inside Corners - I know will crack
I'll errr on this statement but outside corners, generally don't crack....Both on the same wall, and same grout joint width

Let's take it a step farther. MOVEMENT of the wall. I tend to add tons of blocking in walls, floors if I know tile is going in. Scrap plywood, leftever 2x6, u name it. Stiffens everything up and it's not going to cost me anymore when all said and done.
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Unread 02-24-2012, 06:53 PM   #8
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I've epoxied it on several installations and never had a problem. Doesn't mean I won't - just means I never have.


Don't know what you mean. Didn't know what you meant back then. So, guess I am where I started in a way.

BTW, used epoxy(Laticrete) and Starquartz on my bathroom remodel. Starquartz may possilbly be too flexible or maybe installer error(doubt the installer error since kind of hard to screw up). Dunno for sure. All I know is that my finger nail can't go into the cured epoxy and can go into the Starquartz a bit. Both have cured over a week already.

The following is a short thread comparing the two.
http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/...urethane+grout

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Unread 02-24-2012, 07:13 PM   #9
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Hi Sam, when I do a Kerdi shower, which is all I do, I use a more expensive grout that is crack resistant. If the grout was ever to crack I would just go in and caulk it removing the grout that is there in the corners. Just remember that this is NOT the TCNA standard to grout corners.
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IF This was your own place, would you grout it.
We've always grouted.. Well...... most alwayz..
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My walls are mud so I make sure my corners are wrapped with lath which somewhat ties the walls together. I grout the corners and have very few problems. Like Musky said, it's not by the book.
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Are we stating that by bridging the corner to make 2 adjoining studs as one as a cohesiveness, it mitigated the cracking using sanded/unsanded grout ?

Is it just me, but while inside corners are guaranteed to crack with a sanded/unsanded grout, the outside doesn't.

Here's hoping there is a someone who is familiar with urethane than can attest to how it behaves on inside, outside or horizontal transitions...
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I am not familiar with urethane yet either. I am another one that grouts my inside corners. I have had them crack on me a few times, but I go back and fix it. On new construction I caulk them, on remodels I explain why I like grout better to the customer and let them choose. Usually they give me the choice.
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I most times grout the corners as well. If they do crack, and they will in new construction most times, I go back and just caulk the crack. I don't dig out the grout and replace with caulk.

But what about epoxy grout? I've never epoxy grouted a corner in a shower. How does it hold up?
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I silicone every change of plane and the Latisil isn't cheap.

I am curious about the urethane. I asked the rep once, but he didn't give me a straight answer. I don't think it's as flexible as silicone, but it might be flexible enough. I've used urethane grout but it's been on big floors, not a shower.

Ceci, I wouldn't be worried about the softness of the urethane. It takes seven days for it to cure enough to get water on it, I think it takes the better part of a month before it fully cures.
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