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Unread 07-13-2012, 05:27 AM   #13996
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That's a clean looking shower Rick.
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Just did a pan tile looked just liked that Rick. It was a special order from Lowe's out here
Hope is was as fun for you as it was for me.

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Ron, it's a looooong thread and it would help if you'd give a post number so's folks might find what it is you're talking about.
I don't think Ron even knows what he's talking about.
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Unread 07-13-2012, 07:19 AM   #13997
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Rick,

Looks real good and "Pops" for me. You did a good job.

Was laying around the drain, a pain?
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Unread 07-13-2012, 08:48 AM   #13998
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I don't think Ron even knows what he's talking about.
I believe Ron was pointing out that your shower pan didn't meet plumbing code nor tile industry requirements, Rick, and in that I believe he knew exactly what he was talking about.

I think you've been here long enough to know we require civility at all times and in all forums. Saying that someone generally doesn't know what he's talking about is not what I would consider a civil comment.

You're free to argue your points to the extent you like here in the Hangout, but the civility requirement still applies.
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Unread 07-13-2012, 10:03 AM   #13999
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Sorry you feel that way, CX. I've been a member here for 8 years. I think my track record of how I treat others here speaks for itself. So does my track record with my customers for whom I would not still be in business if not for their continued referrals and repeat business. I too appreciate a forum where the members are civil towards each other but I will defend myself when I think somebody is antagonizing me.
I always welcome constructive criticism and like to think I'm not above admitting I can improve and this forum has greatly helped me in that manner but when the criticism is mean spirited or presented in a smart-ass manner, as it was in Ron's case, I will respond accordingly every time. Ron is a brand new member here, not a veteran of 8 years, ahem, ahem. If you feel the need to play board police, go scold Ron. Better yet, let us handle our own affairs. Its really a whole lot about nothing.
Lastly, I have broken no codes, have had no complaints and on those occasions where inspectors have been present on my shower installs, I have passed every time. Not saying there isn't room for improvement but my showers are working just fine. Have a nice day.
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Unread 07-13-2012, 10:05 AM   #14000
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Unread 07-13-2012, 11:17 AM   #14001
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I can only imagine, but you made it look good in the end and that is what counts!!
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Unread 07-14-2012, 02:20 AM   #14002
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What was mean spirited or rude about Ron's comments?
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Unread 07-14-2012, 11:20 AM   #14003
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Really not intending to be antagonistic...

So, regarding Rick/Tilerite's shower shown in this post

Your shower looks great. You clearly are at the top or your game in a lot of ways.

Will try to stick with the facts. Sooo not intending to antagonize...I simply struggle with the missed opportunity to learn and improve. Sure, criticism is not easy to swallow. Maybe I've not been here long enough to realize I'm wasting my time, but for your benefit, I'll give it one more try. I'd encourage you (perhaps offline) to consider that just because you don't know of a failed shower does not mean you don't have one. Showers can take a looong time to fail. Mine did. Perhaps you're willing to take that risk

I can accept that I do not have credibility with you. Several here have made some valid observations on your liner height, lack of curb corners, waterproofing etc.

tileguy_n_ky said in post 13991:
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...I have done a few pan replacements that were supplied by this vendor, none had dam corners and all showed damage were the curb and wall meet.
That speaks volumes to me.

Brian, Kurgon, CX, tileguy_n_ky and others have all taken their time to give you constructive criticism. Aside from the positive comments about the appearance, none have praised your methodology. If you don't listen to me, listen to them. (yes, I see the irony in those words)

For the benefit of your next customer I'll include this excerpt from NC Code since I've wasted more of my time finding it to satisfy my own curiosity:

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417.5.2 Shower lining. Floors under shower compartments, except where prefabricated receptors have been provided, shall be lined and made water tight utilizing material complying with Sections 417.5.2.1 through 417.5.2.5. Such liners shall turn up on all sides at least 2 inches (51 mm) above the finished threshold level. Liners shall be recessed and fastened to an approved backing so as not to occupy the space required for wall covering, and shall not be nailed or perforated at any point less than 1 inch (25 mm) above the finished threshold. Liners shall be securely fastened to the waste outlet at the seepage entrance, making a water-tight joint between the liner and the outlet. Liners shall be installed per manufacturer’s instructions.
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Unread 07-14-2012, 11:30 AM   #14004
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And your hat, goggles and mask look funny too, Rick!
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Unread 07-14-2012, 05:14 PM   #14005
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Couple of things I would like you to understand. First, the so-called issue had already been pointed out by Ken and Brian both of whom I was communicating with, long before you chimed in. When you did decide to enter the conversation, you made an off-handed comment to the effect of feeling bad for my customer instead of just speaking to me directly. That’s what I had a problem with. Was never a credibility issue and the fact that you are new here had nothing to do with why I was bothered.

Secondly, in 25 years of shower installations, I am not aware of one shower failure. Actually, that’s wrong. I had a failure about 6 years ago. A few weeks after an install, my customer called me back to look at a leak. I asked no questions and in less than a week after the initial call, I returned and ripped out the bottom portion of their shower. Turns out there was a big rip in the liner. I don’t recall tearing the liner but accepted that it must have been my fault and proceeded to rebuild the shower free of charge. That is the only known instance that one of my showers failed and it’s something that could happen to anyone.

I am completely self taught. Had to learn everything I do on my own and without the luxury of a mentor or trainer. The only outside help I have had was from the good folks on forums like these. You insinuated that I have no interest in learning proper techniques but nothing could be farther from the truth. Being unfamiliar with a technique does not mean I have no interest in learning the technique. In the 8 years I have been a member here; my methods have improved dramatically specifically because I did heed the advice of others. Also,I do not work for builders or other contractors. The majority of my jobs are referrals and repeat business. In other words, If I wasn’t satisfying my clients I would not be in business, especially in these tough times.

I don’t deny now nor have I ever, that dams should not be used. I merely stated I had not been taught about dams and had my own method of closing up the liner gaps, which must be working as none of my showers are leaking in any way including showers in my own house that were built the same way. I ran a search on the topic and learned that some have used alternative methods in lieu of installing dams. Not saying whether it’s right or wrong but it does shows that I am not the only one not using them. Regarding the codes, on those occasions where my pans have been inspected, dams have never once been brought up. Perhaps I need to read up on local plumbing codes. In fact, perhaps the inspectors should read up.

As for your concern about my client, you should know that I would to anything it takes to fix a problem that was caused by me. On those occasions when I have been called to fix a broken tile, few and far between thank goodness, I have done so free of charge, regardless of who was at fault or how many years had passed since the installation. I’m not a limited warranty guy. When you hire me, you are my client for life in my mind. I do whatever it takes to keep my customers happy and I have many former clients that will attest to that.

I am ALWAYS willing to learn new techniques and ALWAYS willing to improve and I apologize if I came off defensive. I take great pride in my work. Finding out I may be doing something I should not be doing is a hard pill to swallow but if it makes you (and everyone else here) feel better, I intend to use the dams on my next project. Hope you have a nice rest of the weekend.
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Unread 07-14-2012, 05:15 PM   #14006
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And your hat, goggles and mask look funny too, Rick!
Thanks for that, Roger. Just what I needed.
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Unread 07-14-2012, 06:17 PM   #14007
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The hat and goggles were kinda....you ever see Rogers hat?
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Unread 07-14-2012, 07:00 PM   #14008
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I'm on a 10,000 ft. high school with four other setters.Been on it a week, we have two weeks to go...schools a startin.
Mostly Dal 41/4 with some sheetgoods and 12x12.Pretty boring,working 12 hour days,6 or 7 days a week,lotta dust,lotta noise,lotta tile.

For those that haven't done large commercial it might be interesting i guess.
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Unread 07-14-2012, 07:15 PM   #14009
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Glad yer workin Dave.

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I feel better now Rick, Thanks, nice shower, I think it looks great!
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