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Unread 01-03-2020, 06:47 PM   #46
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Quick update: I floated my second wall today.
(What took me so long? waiting to get sand.)
This wall turned out much better, although it is not perfect either.
I ran the ridge of mud for the stick FIRST, as Davy suggested, and my sticks stayed good throughout the whole process.
I could not find an aluminum or magnesium straight edge within my parents budget, so I used a straight 1/8" thick 2x2 L shaped piece of steel. (No, it wasn't to hard to lift, just a bit thicker than I would have liked.)

I probably filled the cracks in too early. I was not sure how firm "firm" should have been, but whatever "firm" meant, it meant firmer than that. so I compromised my beautiful flat wall, but overall it turned out better than the last one.

As it turns out, I am going to be floating a lot more wall than I planned on. (100 sqft total.)
Any advice for floating a long wall? I would assume that a 8' length of steel would be a bit heavy.

Lastly, I realized that we are paying to much for sand.
at $5.00 for half a cubic foot, I came up with $210 a cubic yard.
the local quarry sells sand for $30.00 a cubic yard, and I know someone who sells it for 15.50 a ton.
I have not checked if the quarry sells _less_ than a cubic yard.
And I am not sure it is prewashed (Does that matter?)
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Unread 01-03-2020, 07:32 PM   #47
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When I fill the void left from the screed sticks, I fill the void carefully and try not to over fill it any more than I have to. Sometimes I'll use a margin trowel to fill them in tight areas. Instead of using a straight edge to remove the extra mud, I'll use a short lattice stick, say 12-14 inches long. Some guys use a wood float. Regardless, the mud wall needs to be firm enough that you don't dig in and mess it up.

I think I pay about 60 bucks a cubic yard for washed sharp plaster sand which looks close to the bagged All Purpose sand. Having good sand is important and if you found sand that handles good, I'd continue to use it. The masonry supply I by from also has brick sand which is very fine and won't hang on the wall near as well as the plaster sand. Sand that's too fine also wants to crack more.

If your wall is 8 ft wide then you may have to embed 3 sticks in the wall and mud it in 2 sections. I have feather edges up to 8 ft for mudding walls. That's about as wide as I want to mud at one time. Just make sure your 3 sticks are inline.
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floated my third wall today.
it went great!
I took a trip to town while it set up. I came back, filled in the low spots, and finally gave it a sponge finish, so that it would feel done.
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Do you think this thread should be renamed?
My expanded lath question was answered.
Should we rename it "Johnpaul's mud shower saga"?
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Floated my fourth wall section today.
It seems to be pretty good.
(bump)

Any advice for mudding a niche?
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Unread 01-07-2020, 08:38 PM   #51
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Its past 830pm central time . That means most of the mud guys are already in bed digesting their LuAnn special

Might have to wait for a response.
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I'm up, you sneakily changed the name of this thread and I almost missed it


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Unread 01-17-2020, 08:07 PM   #53
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Thank you for all your helpful advice.
I set a few tiles, my first wall tiles.
They were 12x24 rectified ceramic tile from lowes. (real cheap and flimsy)
The goal was to install them with an 1/8" grout line, and zero lippage.
I forgot to level the bottom row, and I had a 1/16" of lippage.
So I removed them. then I found the section in the TCNA handbook that talks about lippage.
It said something to the effect of maximum allowable lippage is 1/32" - 1/16" plus surface variance in tile, depending on grout line, and other considerations.
So I suggested that my parents consider returning the tile, and get some non-rectified.
they decided to go with a plastic tub surround instead.
So I demoed the mortar bed. It took me 3 days to demo it, so I feel pretty good about mortar beds.

Thus ends the Saga for the time being.
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